What is the minimum gyroscope speed to yield force precession?

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The discussion centers on determining the minimum speed of a gyroscope required for a force applied at 0 degrees to produce movement at 90 degrees, with the consensus that any non-zero speed will create this 90-degree offset for small input torques. The visibility of the precession effect is influenced by the initial angular momentum relative to the input torque. A user noted that they did not observe precession with a box fan, leading to questions about the fan's mass and design. It was explained that the moment of inertia, which affects precession, depends on both mass and its distribution, along with potential aerodynamic effects from the fan. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of gyroscopic motion and factors influencing precession.
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Does anyone know what the minimum speed of a gyro to make it so a force at 0deg will yield a movement at 90deg... or even better, what the angle is wrt speed... see http://www.copters.com/aero/gyro.html for pictures.
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richengle said:
Summary:: min gyro speed to yield force precession

Does anyone know what the minimum speed of a gyro to make it so a force at 0deg will yield a movement at 90deg... or even better, what the angle is wrt speed... see http://www.copters.com/aero/gyro.html for pictures.
Any non zero speed will have the 90deg offset for a small input torque



While the offset is always 90 deg, the noticeably of the procession effect depends on initial angular momentum vs. input torque.
 
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A.T. said:
Any non zero speed will have the 90deg offset for a small input torque



While the offset is always 90 deg, the noticeably of the procession effect depends on initial angular momentum vs. input torque.

thanks, that explains a bike wheel. but i tried it with a fan, and didnt notice any precession. is it because it has less mass?
 
richengle said:
thanks, that explains a bike wheel. but i tried it with a fan, and didnt notice any precession. is it because it has less mass?
The moment of inertia depends on the mass and its distribution. With a fan you additionally have aerodynamic effects.
 
richengle said:
thanks, that explains a bike wheel. but i tried it with a fan, and didnt notice any precession. is it because it has less mass?
What kind of fan did you use?
 
Lnewqban said:
What kind of fan did you use?
box fan
 
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