What is the Probability of Real Roots in a Quadratic Equation?

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The discussion centers around the probability that a random quadratic equation of the form ax² + bx + c = 0 has real roots, specifically focusing on the condition b² > 4ac. Participants explore the implications of assuming a continuous uniform distribution for the coefficients a, b, and c within a specified interval (-R, R) and the general problem of determining the probability of real roots for polynomials of degree n.

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  • One participant proposes that the probability of real roots is approximately 0.627, based on the condition b² > 4ac.
  • Another participant questions whether the probability depends on the value of R, seeking clarification on the range of a, b, and c.
  • A participant asserts that while the probability could depend on R, it ultimately does not, suggesting that R cancels out in the calculations.
  • One participant provides a specific calculation for the probability, stating it as 1/72 (41 + Ln[64]), and expresses dissatisfaction with their method involving complex probability distributions.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of having a uniform distribution over the set of real numbers, citing the infinite measure of real numbers.

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Participants express differing views on whether the probability depends on R, with some asserting it does not while others question this assumption. There is also disagreement regarding the feasibility of a uniform distribution over the real numbers.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the distributions of coefficients and the implications of infinite measures, which remain unresolved. The calculations presented rely on specific mathematical approaches that may not be universally accepted.

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I want to know how to compute the probability that a random quadratic equation of the form a x2+b x+c=0 has real roots. So, i want to find the probability that b2>4ac (assuming each variable has a continuous constant distribution in an interval (-R,R))

I know that the probability is about 0.627...



the general problem: what is the probability that a polinomial of degree n has x real roots?
 
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shouldn't the probability depend on R? And to clarify, your a, b, and c values are between -R and R right?
 
yes, a, b, and c are values between -R and R. The probability COULD depend on R, but if you think about it, you will see it doesn't. make the calculation and R will cancel out.

to find the desired probability, the next step would be taking the limit as R approaches infinity, but since the probability doesn't depend on R, the probability for all quadratic equations between (-infinity, infinity) is the same as the probability for the equations between (-R , R)
 
now I know that the probability is 1/72 (41 + Ln[64]). numerical value0.627206709491106553562547121233...

but I'm not satisfied with the method I used. this is how I did it:
we want to find the probability that 0<b^2-4ac, all having uniform distribution in the interval (-R,R)
So now let's define a variable z=-4ac, such a variable would have a distribution [tex]\frac{\text{Ln}\left[16 R^2\right]-\text{Ln}[4|x|]}{8 R^2}\left(\mu \left[4 R^2+x\right]-\mu \left[x-4 R^2\right]\right)[/tex]

and the variable w=b^2 has a distribution[tex]\frac{\mu [x]-\mu \left[x-R^2\right]}{2 R \sqrt{x}}[/tex]

were [tex]\mu[/tex] is the unit step function

now the probability distribution of the discriminant D=b^2-4ac=z+w is the convolution of the probability distributions of z and w, which yields a very large result.

now (to compute the probability that D>0 )we have to integrate the probability distribution of D from 0 to infinity; which yields the previous result. I could only do it using Mathematica
 
Since the set of real numbers has infinite measure, I don't think you can have a uniform distribution on them.
 

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