What is the proof for the limit superior?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the limit superior in the context of sequences. Participants are exploring the definition and properties of limit superior, particularly in relation to converging and non-converging sequences.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the proof by considering different cases of sequence behavior, expressing uncertainty about how to proceed with the proof for converging sequences. Other participants suggest focusing on specific values and relationships, questioning the necessity of case distinctions.

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Homework Statement


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Below is the definition of the limit superior
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I tried to start by considering two cases, case 1 in which the sequence does not converge and case 2 in which the sequence converges and got stuck with the second case.
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I know intuitively that there exists a K such that Mk < a is the second case but I can not think of how to show this. I attempted to consider cases again, like monotone increasing, decreasing, or even use the definition of couchy sequence but was not getting anywhere. Is there a way to reach the same conclusion in my second case or is my approach for this proof completely off? I would gladly supply any additional information and would greatly appreciate any help.
 

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You don't need to consider cases and it doesn't matter whether the sequence converges.

Let ##u=(s+a)/2##. Can you show that for large enough ##n##, the amount ##M_n## must be less than ##u##? What does that tell us about the relationship between ##x_n## and ##a##?
 
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andrewkirk said:
You don't need to consider cases and it doesn't matter whether the sequence converges.

Let ##u=(s+a)/2##. Can you show that for large enough ##n##, the amount ##M_n## must be less than ##u##? What does that tell us about the relationship between ##x_n## and ##a##?
for a large enough n, wouldn't ##M_n## = s?
a > s
a + s > s + s = 2s
(a+s)/2 > s
so s < u

I'm still trying to see the next part
 
NihalRi said:
for a large enough n, wouldn't ##M_n## = s?
Not necessarily. But it will be less than u. Why is that? (Consider the definition of lim sup)
 
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It might be useful to observe that

$$\limsup a_n = \inf_{n=1}^\infty \{\sup_{k=n}^\infty a_k\}$$
 
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I have more time now. Using my last formula, if ##a > \limsup a_n := L##, then there is ##n \geq 1## such that ##\sup_{k \geq n} a_k < a##. But then ##a_k \leq \sup_{k \geq n} a_k < a## for all ##k \geq n##, which was what we had to prove.

It remains to show that my last formula is correct. This is however easy, since ##\sup_{k\geq n} a_k## is a non-increasing sequence in ##n## and thus by the monotonuous convergence theorem, the sequence of suprema converges to its infinum.
 

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