What is the significance of multiple videos of the same event?

[Lacy33]

We saw this originally on an Israel website, but it is here too:
We have been replaying these for a couple hours now. There are at least four different videos of the same event. Neat!

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/50545/

 

[Lacy33]

These people say it's a hoax.

 

[MacLaddy]

Very interesting videos, if it's real I hope even more footage comes out.

I do wonder though; why didn't the person that was holding the camera in the first video pan up with it when it jumped up? That would have been my reaction.

 

[MacLaddy]

These people say it's a hoax.

I wonder if any of the news agencies have identified individuals that had footage, or if everything is off You Tube.

 

[pallidin]

Yeah, sure looks like a Hoax to me after viewing Lacy33 link.

 

[Lacy33]

Here is where we first saw the videos and story:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142126
Knowing that is a really sacred place on the planet to a lot of people, I know there must be a billion people that would like these to be authentic.

It was just the beginning of winter I'm thinking when I saw something very similar from our roof in NYC and it was over the Met Life Insurance building not such a sacred place. Ha.
Where the one I saw/watched did not lower like this one in the films, it did have a path , most interesting as my husband adds, it took off in the same manner, fast!

 

[Lacy33]

Yeah, sure looks like a Hoax to me after viewing Lacy33 link.

You mean the things being done by the hoax people?

I thought it was a hoax too, but we replayed them for a couple hours listening to the people together with the visual.

 

[Lacy33]

Very interesting videos, if it's real I hope even more footage comes out.

I do wonder though; why didn't the person that was holding the camera in the first video pan up with it when it jumped up? That would have been my reaction.

I understand you would have followed it with the camera. Could be it was a simple person like me filming that and I would have just looked up. Forget the camera.
The young men on the Haas Promenade did follow it up and we see some lights up there in the sky too. Redish glow of some sort.

 

[MacLaddy]

I understand you would have followed it with the camera.

Actually, I'd probably drop the thing.

 

[Lacy33]

Actually, I'd probably drop the thing.

LOL, I was going to say faint.
Just watching it with my husband, we are sweating and shaking at the thought that it might be real LOL
Ya know as well as I do that ain't no small thing if it turns out to be real. LOL
{clunk}

 

[SkepticJ]

The thing with UFOs as aliens that doesn't make sense is that assuredly aliens could create machines we couldn't see, in the optical, as well as other spectrums. This doesn't require Star Trek-esque cloaking devices, but would be possible under known physics. We just don't have the engineering capability yet.

So these aliens are making visible machines, but they never do any dramatic display where it would be impossible for it to be denied. Think the ending of Close Encounters of the Third Kind happening over Tokyo or New York City. It's always dinky little lights or saucers skulking around. If they were trying to hide, they'd hide totally. If they were trying to make a display, boy howdy, you'd know it!

 

[Lacy33]

The thing with UFOs as aliens that doesn't make sense is that assuredly aliens could create machines we couldn't see, in the optical, as well as other spectrums. This doesn't require Star Trek-esque cloaking devices, but would be possible under known physics. We just don't have the engineering capability yet.

So these aliens are making visible machines, but they never do any dramatic display where it would be impossible for it to be denied. Think the ending of Close Encounters of the Third Kind happening over Tokyo or New York City. It's always dinky little lights or saucers skulking around. If they were trying to hide, they'd hide totally. If they were trying to make a display, boy howdy, you'd know it!

Well I guess I would know it then.
But that's why I entitled this little thread "This looks pretty Organic!"
Ya know, what I have been looking at all day is not machanical in nature.
I think that if this real, they all want someone to see this light show.

 

[Lacy33]

This is a 4th film that I wish I was more properly packaged for while viewing.



http://buzzroom.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/923/

Where is our NASA man Norman?

 

[SkepticJ]

You mean you think this thing, if real, is piloted by a squishy meat-bag like us?

Impossible, the acceleration would turn them into a gory jam on the floor. Only a machine could survive an acceleration like that.

Someone should run the numbers on that object's acceleration. It may be that even a machine couldn't do it, that no material, even theoretical, could survive it without breaking.

Also, by what means does it move? Where's the rocket flame? This is the real world, not sci-fi; Newtonian physics rules.

 

[Lacy33]

You mean you think this thing, if real, is piloted by a squishy meat-bag like us?

Impossible, the acceleration would turn them into a gory jam on the floor. Only a machine could survive an acceleration like that.

Someone should run the numbers on that object's acceleration. It may be that even a machine couldn't do it, that no material, even theoretical, could survive it without breaking.

Also, by what means does it move? Where's the rocket flame? This is the real world, not sci-fi; Newtonian physics rules.

That is pretty cute word play. Did you read the small article with the first link that quoted someone saying no one could withstand the g force?
Look at the links. Read it. Its fun!

 

[DevilsAvocado]

That must be Mubarak’s soul... going the wrong way??

 

[Lacy33]

Hey SkepticJ, My daughter has 3 geckos.

 

[Lacy33]

That must be Mubarak’s soul... going the wrong way??

If I were his soul I would be dashing off like that too! Waadda Thunk!~

 

[SkepticJ]

They're wonderfully cute little animals.

Mine finally died of old age last year. It'll be some years before I get another.

 

[Alfrez]

These people say it's a hoax.

Very good analysis how it could have been fabricated. Wonder if he can debunk the following too where there are 2 shots from different angles with a person in front of the camera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmPTnhaHzs&feature=player_embedded

 

[SkepticJ]

Well, those videos would be easy to fake. We live in a digital world. Millions of people have computers, and the sort of software needed to create effects like that is freely available.
Those effects could be done inside of an hour of work; I could do it.

What's more likely, aliens drop a hovering, glowing ball over a site holy to three major religions, or some people who could know each other make some videos to pull legs?

The videos don't have to be debunked, someone needs to point to something that couldn't have been faked by someone with a bit of time on their hands using After Effects, Maya, and Photoshop.

 

[Alfrez]

Well, those videos would be easy to fake. We live in a digital world. Millions of people have computers, and the sort of software needed to create effects like that is freely available.
Those effects could be done inside of an hour of work; I could do it.

What's more likely, aliens drop a hovering, glowing ball over a site holy to three major religions, or some people who could know each other make some videos to pull legs?

The videos don't have to be debunked, someone needs to point to something that couldn't have been faked by someone with a bit of time on their hands using After Effects, Maya, and Photoshop.

Right. If no witnesses from different sectors of society see it with their own eyes. Then it must be a hoax perpetrated by a couple of people or so using CGI.

 

[collinsmark]

'Just as a point of reference (regarding the difficulty [or lack-thereof] of making such a video), here is another video that seems pretty realistic. I'll post it here on this thread for the purpose of comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c

 

[berkeman]

'Just as a point of reference (regarding the difficulty [or lack-thereof] of making such a video), here is another video that seems pretty realistic. I'll post it here on this thread for the purpose of comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c

Oh c'mon. That doesn't look at all like the original video...

 

[Lacy33]

Really looked around and the debunkers are having a pretty hard time with this one.
I think there will be more videos coming out and I have put out my ear to the communities that would have been in that area at the time. They would not be talking to the media about this because ...for various reasons I'm sure I don't know.

I feel comfortable with the "organic" part of this "event," if that is what it is. What I don't like are those red lights that look to be a part of something NOT so organic for personal reasons.

People are very crafty with the electronics these days.
I'm waiting to see. An NO "one" better not show up outside my windows. Theraputic medication coverage for that, for me, would be instantly leathal.

 

[Pengwuino]

These people say it's a hoax.

Time to get out my audio mixing software :)

 

[Lacy33]

Time to get out my audio mixing software :)

Mr. Pengwuino, Please bring out everything you have! There is no time for marching or dancing. We'll dance later.
Penguins on one side women on the other.

 

[Lacy33]

More than 12 hours invested in this Dome of Rock UFO event and I can not find ONE single person who saw it and did not have a camera in hand.
In other words only people issuing videos seem to have seen this.
It was pretty big in a busy area at a busy time of the night on that particular day for no one to have seen it.
I don't think so.
It can't be no one is talking.
Unless the visitors called only these folks to the event and gave them something to take home with them.
But Jody Foster already did Contact.

Someone has to be pretty darn good with the camera.

 

[SkepticJ]

I feel comfortable with the "organic" part of this "event," if that is what it is. What I don't like are those red lights that look to be a part of something NOT so organic for personal reasons.

One shouldn't base their beliefs on what they'd like to be true, but what is.

You keep using that word, what exactly do you mean by 'organic'? Why don't you like machines?

Someday, probably centuries or more from now, the real aliens we'll meet quite possibly will be machines. They'll have cast off the weaknesses of flesh--immortality's not such a bad deal.

 

[Alfrez]

This is the 1st, 2nd and 4th video shown simultaneously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

Note the flashes occurred simultaneously. The light in the 4th video is moving to the left while the one in the 2nd video is moving to the light. It means they were taken in opposite sides of the city (if they are all genuine).

This is the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd (which is fake) shown simultaneously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuuTVLS6eVg&feature=related

Note the 3rd fake doesn't show any flashes and it is this that is analysed by this link shared earlier:



The fake video has recordings of voices that are not believable or obviously fabricated (americans talking and ridiculously sounding).

The 4th video witness is being interviewed by a reporter in the following:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-News-Web/302771843259

So what are these? I don't believe they are aliens or spacecraft s. Scientific American says some form of dark matter can interact with normal baryons and even a whole dark matter world can exist or even inhabited. If it's genuine, it's more likely these are dark matter inhabitants phenomenon terrestrial to earth, not aliens. In my country. Many UFOs were sighted even some that are seen regularly for a week at regular schedule more than a decade ago and they were not aliens but some kind of dark matter like entities phenomenon. About being organic (this thread topic). No. Don't think they are organic, but more of bioplasmic (if they are genuine and not hoax).

 

[Nicodemus]

Couldn't this be genuine, but be a misunderstanding on the part of the oberservers? I've looked, and I won't pretend that I can offer an explanation, but if it's fake then plenty of people worked together.

If it's real, in that part of the world, why wouldn't something military be the first guess? I also really want to know what "bioplasmic" means, unless it's what I think, and that just means inter-intra cellular fluid.

 

[Alfrez]

Couldn't this be genuine, but be a misunderstanding on the part of the oberservers? I've looked, and I won't pretend that I can offer an explanation, but if it's fake then plenty of people worked together.

If it's real, in that part of the world, why wouldn't something military be the first guess? I also really want to know what "bioplasmic" means, unless it's what I think, and that just means inter-intra cellular fluid.

Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

 

[Nicodemus]

Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

Well, I don't believe in that, but thanks for explaining it. Putting the disbelief aside, what you're saying is that the object here, wasn't an alien craft, military, hallucination or the like, but rather living plasma? I did ask, so if this gets you in trouble I'm sorry, I just had no idea what you meant. I've been lurking a little for a few weeks, but I just made an account: frankly a lot of people talk about things I don't understand here!

 

[Alfrez]

Well, I don't believe in that, but thanks for explaining it. Putting the disbelief aside, what you're saying is that the object here, wasn't an alien craft, military, hallucination or the like, but rather living plasma? I did ask, so if this gets you in trouble I'm sorry, I just had no idea what you meant. I've been lurking a little for a few weeks, but I just made an account: frankly a lot of people talk about things I don't understand here!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

 

[Nicodemus]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

I understand, I'll read that article, but don't expect a convert. I have to admit, this is some weird video however. It's easier to dismiss as hoax when there aren't multiple camera angles on the same event. I believe it COULD be faked, but I'd like to see how it was faked if so, not anexample of how it COULD have been faked.

 

[JaredJames]

Just going to blitz through this.

Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

Well let's leave non-mainstream stuff out of it. Your article doesn't correlate at all with what you post above.

More than 12 hours invested in this Dome of Rock UFO event and I can not find ONE single person who saw it and did not have a camera in hand.
In other words only people issuing videos seem to have seen this.
It was pretty big in a busy area at a busy time of the night on that particular day for no one to have seen it.
I don't think so.
It can't be no one is talking.
Unless the visitors called only these folks to the event and gave them something to take home with them.
But Jody Foster already did Contact.

Someone has to be pretty darn good with the camera.

So the only people who saw this are those with the cameras? No eye witnesses?

If that's true then mystery solved. Bit convenient the only people to see it happen to be those with cameras.

Right. If no witnesses from different sectors of society see it with their own eyes. Then it must be a hoax perpetrated by a couple of people or so using CGI.

What? If the only people to see it are those with cameras then it strikes me as a bit odd. You have a place that is a big name in religion, with a glowing light above it (reminds me of the Christmas star in Christianity) and no one else saw it? No one else has come forward?

You posted a link earlier with both videos side by side, not sure what you want us to say about it.

One thing I do note is that the two witnesses with cameras happen to be stood next to each other (the video ID's the second at the start). So you may have two cameras, but you have the same perspective.

In this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

You can actually see the supposed shape of the object - it's cross / 4 point star. Now if I can go from this to a religious view, I have no doubt the religious nuts out there definitely have. Looking at, in an initial light (this is opinion) I'd say it's some attempt at a religious publicity stunt - given the shape and location of the event. It just seems too convenient for my liking.

I'll be interested to see further analysis by others, more experienced in the field.

I keep mentioning it also, but "UFO" refers to a whole host of things. You can have UFO that isn't an alien. Well, so far I don't think we've had evidence that any UFO's have been alien.

 

[Alfrez]

Just going to blitz through this.




Well let's leave non-mainstream stuff out of it. Your article doesn't correlate at all with what you post above.


So the only people who saw this are those with the cameras? No eye witnesses?

If that's true then mystery solved. Bit convenient the only people to see it happen to be those with cameras.


What? If the only people to see it are those with cameras then it strikes me as a bit odd. You have a place that is a big name in religion, with a glowing light above it (reminds me of the Christmas star in Christianity) and no one else saw it? No one else has come forward?

You posted a link earlier with both videos side by side, not sure what you want us to say about it.

One thing I do note is that the two witnesses with cameras happen to be stood next to each other (the video ID's the second at the start). So you may have two cameras, but you have the same perspective.

In this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

You can actually see the supposed shape of the object - it's cross / 4 point star. Now if I can go from this to a religious view, I have no doubt the religious nuts out there definitely have. Looking at, in an initial light (this is opinion) I'd say it's some attempt at a religious publicity stunt - given the shape and location of the event. It just seems too convenient for my liking.

I'll be interested to see further analysis by others, more experienced in the field.

I keep mentioning it also, but "UFO" refers to a whole host of things. You can have UFO that isn't an alien. Well, so far I don't think we've had evidence that any UFO's have been alien.

Photoshop, Maya, After Effects? The "flash" part is interesting.. maybe someone can do shadow analysis to see if the light really come from the source above. What programs can cause light and shadow effects from a light source within the video? Since all the 3 videos have "flash" effect, one can easily detect any discrepancies of shadows anywhere inside especially the last close-up video.

 

[JaredJames]

Personally, I'd be more interested in eye witnesses right now.

Although I don't usually listen to eye witness testimony, it wasn't exactly a subtle event and someone must have seen something - especially given the flash.

The ability to edit video isn't exactly limited these days. There's nothing to gauge a time on the video so that video itself could be months old and a lot of time spent making it believable.

Just throwing ideas out there.

 

[Nicodemus]

Personally, I'd be more interested in eye witnesses right now.

Although I don't usually listen to eye witness testimony, it wasn't exactly a subtle event and someone must have seen something - especially given the flash.

The ability to edit video isn't exactly limited these days. There's nothing to gauge a time on the video so that video itself could be months old and a lot of time spent making it believable.

Just throwing ideas out there.

Yeah, if you have tons of eye witnesses, but no video it's time to be perplexed. If you have tons of video and no eyewitnesses, it seems logical to be even more perplexed.

 

[Alfrez]

The event occurred at 1AM in the morning. What time does the Temple Mount close at night, or it is 24 hours? Is the area cordoned off at night or open to the public? Anyone has visited the Temple Mount before?

 

[JaredJames]

Yeah, if you have tons of eye witnesses, but no video it's time to be perplexed. If you have tons of video and no eyewitnesses, it seems logical to be even more perplexed.

Eyewitnesses with no video = questionable.
No eyewitnesses with video = strong chance the video is faked (unless events occurred in a location that has extremely low population density).
Eyewitnesses and video = much stronger position, still not infallible though.

We don't have tons of video from what I've seen. In particular, as I point out above we have two videos from people in the same place (metres apart). So I'm not seeing those as two videos (a bit convenient if you will). For me to take it more seriously, I need a variety of video from (vastly) differing view points.

The event occurred at 1AM in the morning. What time does the Temple Mount close at night, or it is 24 hours? Is the area cordoned off at night or open to the public? Anyone has visited the Temple Mount before?

The time isn't so much my problem, it's obviously during the night/early morning. The problem is with the date. My point is that unless the video contains a visual marker that confirms the date it could be any night over the last few years with a claim that it is the night in question.

What time it closes et al are valid questions. If there were people there, they should have seen something.

 

[Alfrez]

Eyewitnesses with no video = questionable.
No eyewitnesses with video = strong chance the video is faked (unless events occurred in a location that has extremely low population density).
Eyewitnesses and video = much stronger position, still not infallible though.

We don't have tons of video from what I've seen. In particular, as I point out above we have two videos from people in the same place (metres apart). So I'm not seeing those as two videos (a bit convenient if you will). For me to take it more seriously, I need a variety of video from (vastly) differing view points.


The time isn't so much my problem, it's obviously during the night/early morning. The problem is with the date. My point is that unless the video contains a visual marker that confirms the date it could be any night over the last few years with a claim that it is the night in question.

What time it closes et al are valid questions. If there were people there, they should have seen something.

Actually the 4th video and 1st/2nd video are from the opposite side of the Temple mount, you can see the light moving to the left in the 4th video, while in the 1st/2nd video, the light is moving to the right. See it again. They are from almost opposite perspectives.

About eyewitnesses. To tell the truth, there are just so many sightings in different places all over the world. There are even stranger sightings in Israel of giant structural objects in the past (with videos in the archives). The point is. People don't care anymore. Why report the sightings when you know you don't be taken seriously or just be ridiculed. Scientists won't entertain UFOs, the public is exposed to just so many UFOs that people are literally wearied already. Do UFOs make you rich? Do UFOs give you more women or fame? Maybe in the past, but not nowadays. I studied UFOs extensively in the past to get an idea of what is the energy I dealt with in Reiki and Chi. In other words, I studied all phenomena in nature to give a clue to the nature of reality. But after over 60 books on UFOs and dozens of videos. I got tired already. So are other folks and the public. We don't care about UFOs anymore. They have no relevance in our lives. If I'd see a UFO, I'd not report it because I know it'd just be ignored. Newspapers treat UFOs as like worldly world news nonsense and witnesses would just be ridiculed, so it is just wise to stay silent. This is how I understood any witnesses would feel. Back in the 1980s. Witnesses are given special treatment. But now, no more and worse, just headache in career or life. Hence don't expect many witnesses nowadays to come forward.

 

[Lacy33]

One shouldn't base their beliefs on what they'd like to be true, but what is.

You keep using that word, what exactly do you mean by 'organic'? Why don't you like machines?

Someday, probably centuries or more from now, the real aliens we'll meet quite possibly will be machines. They'll have cast off the weaknesses of flesh--immortality's not such a bad deal.

First of all to all posters who continue to chat about this, I am interested and still wait to hear from a chicken, cow, police, anyone or anything that can say I saw this flash or not. I am thinking regarding the flash that is not seen in the video from the group of American tourists, they may have been in the city too close to lights to have picked up the flash.

To my buddy and fellow Gecko lover SkepticJ, leave alone my belief system! I don't have a clue what I believe. I don't get how a total stranger can know what I believe. With all due respect.
I believe my chicken soup is boiling over because I set the heat on high and forgot about it sitting over at the computer. I Hear, it sizzling down the sides of the pot and Hear the lid of the pot rattling. Based on that I Believe that when I go around the corner into the kitchen I may find that my assumption is true and I have not only a boiling pot of soup but a huge mess to deal with as well. That mess will be the uncertainty factor in my Belief.
Now Why I am making chicken soup on a Friday morning could be seen by some as a part of a belief system. I tend to see it as a tradition of my family who may have, like me began making this chicken soup on a Thursday when it would have been better. But hundred years ago or so the woman found themselves investing their Thursday's investigating strange lights hanging over the butcher market. And began making it on Friday morning in a rush.

Keep us updated on any possible witnesses.
Thank you

 

[JaredJames]

Actually the 4th video and 1st/2nd video are from the opposite side of the Temple mount, you can see the light moving to the left in the 4th video, while in the 1st/2nd video, the light is moving to the right. See it again. They are from almost opposite perspectives.

180 degrees is actually a poor perspective change (obvious reasons).

About eyewitnesses. To tell the truth, there are just so many sightings in different places all over the world. There are even stranger sightings in Israel of giant structural objects in the past (with videos in the archives). The point is. People don't care anymore. Why report the sightings when you know you don't be taken seriously or just be ridiculed. Scientists won't entertain UFOs, the public is exposed to just so many UFOs that people are literally wearied already. Do UFOs make you rich? Do UFOs give you more women or fame? Maybe in the past, but not nowadays. I studied UFOs extensively in the past to get an idea of what is the energy I dealt with in Reiki and Chi. In other words, I studied all phenomena in nature to give a clue to the nature of reality. But after over 60 books on UFOs and dozens of videos. I got tired already. So are other folks and the public. We don't care about UFOs anymore. They have no relevance in our lives. If I'd see a UFO, I'd not report it because I know it'd just be ignored. Newspapers treat UFOs as like worldly world news nonsense and witnesses would just be ridiculed, so it is just wise to stay silent. This is how I understood any witnesses would feel. Back in the 1980s. Witnesses are given special treatment. But now, no more and worse, just headache in career or life. Hence don't expect many witnesses nowadays to come forward.

Again, UFO's exist. They are very real*.

People aren't tired of sightings, they are tired of sketchy, blurry pictures/video.

The problem I have, is that you have a really religious place have something like this happen and yet the only evidence put forward is a few videos. There should be some eyewitnesses.

_{*UFO =/= Aliens}

 

[Nicodemus]

Compare this to sightings of real objects, such as military aircraft refueling: you then have video, pictures, eyewitness reports. It's weird, like jarednjames is saying, to have only one kind of evidence for something so spectacular in the middle of a place filled with religious followers.

 

[Alfrez]

First of all to all posters who continue to chat about this, I am interested and still wait to hear from a chicken, cow, police, anyone or anything that can say I saw this flash or not. I am thinking regarding the flash that is not seen in the video from the group of American tourists, they may have been in the city too close to lights to have picked up the flash.

Keep us updated on any possible witnesses.
Thank you

The video with the American tourists is the fake one that many in the entire internet or youtube already knew as fake just planted by someone to confuse or kill the story.

You know about All News Web? In Facebook, it is mentioned "I have now spoken to the witness who filmed the fourth (real) video"

http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-News-Web/302771843259

Since the witness is the one who filmed the fourth video, then he could be the fabricator if the video is fake. We could know the story in a few days.

If there is curfew in Temple Mount such that it is closed at 9pm with a big area condoned off, with only guards that man it. Then the only witnesses are security guards. Would they tell the news bureau about it? Or for those in other buildings who could have witnessed the object (if it were real). How will he report it? If you were the witness. Would you go to a reporter and tell the story? Our hope therefore lies if the Temple Mount is filled with signficiant number of people at 1AM in the midst of the night. If there are a number of people, and they can be tracked and questioned and no one seen it, then the story is debunked. Hope those who have visited Temple Mount can share about experiences with the place especially at night.

 

[JaredJames]

If there is curfew in Temple Mount such that it is closed at 9pm with a big area condoned off, with only guards that man it. Then the only witnesses are security guards. Would they tell the news bureau about it? Or for those in other buildings who could have witnessed the object (if it were real). How will he report it? If you were the witness. Would you go to a reporter and tell the story? Our hope therefore lies if the Temple Mount is filled with signficiant number of people at 1AM in the midst of the night. If there are a number of people, and they can be tracked and questioned and no one seen it, then the story is debunked. Hope those who have visited Temple Mount can share about experiences with the place especially at night.

Note how far the people filming it are away. It was blatantly obvious in the video and so if you are telling me the no one else in visible range saw it then I can't accept that.

Like I said, you are in a heavily religious area and something like this happens (their own Christmas star story). People would be jumping to report it.

 

[Nicodemus]

I have to admit, if I saw something like that, even if I thought it was a hallucination I'd tell some people I had it. It's very hard to imagine this got "team coverage", but no witnesses. Our eyes are designed, even at the margins, to track rapid movement and light/dark contrast: nobody saw this at ALL?!

Reverse it: if 3 people claimed to see this, but everyone else had video of a clear day, it would be weird. You expect some balance between people filming with a veriety of devices, but that's always a PART of the larger witness pool.

 

[Lacy33]

I have to admit, if I saw something like that, even if I thought it was a hallucination I'd tell some people I had it. It's very hard to imagine this got "team coverage", but no witnesses. Our eyes are designed, even at the margins, to track rapid movement and light/dark contrast: nobody saw this at ALL?!

Reverse it: if 3 people claimed to see this, but everyone else had video of a clear day, it would be weird. You expect some balance between people filming with a veriety of devices, but that's always a PART of the larger witness pool.

Sometimes we see things that seem so real and important that is takes a while to process it.
Back a few months I saw a very strange event while resting in the garden of our high rise at night.
I was so stunned by the event that I simply walked around for days saying "I just saw a UFO! Why am I all excited about it."
I am the mystical type kid out a family of scientists. Too bad for me. But I still don't buy something just because it will fill a gap.
I found the post for that sighting:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2926255&postcount=39
Knowing the world today, and having lived enough to know, there really is no one whom to report a real UFO.
We saw one in 1980, St Paul, MN USA. We ran upstairs and called the police. I explained to them I was a nurse and not a nut. We just saw a UFO and where. They said " Outer space is not our jurisdiction, call the air force." So we talked about calling the airport and got some number. Don't think we called.
Who do you call?

 

[JaredJames]

Knowing the world today, and having lived enough to know, there really is no one whom to report a real UFO.

Under most circumstances I'd agree. But, once again I bring up the religious nature of this location (I'm not typing it again, it's all above).

We saw one in 1980, St Paul, MN USA. We ran upstairs and called the police. I explained to them I was a nurse and not a nut. We just saw a UFO and where. They said " Outer space is not our jurisdiction, call the air force." So we talked about calling the airport and got some number. Don't think we called.
Who do you call?

Who you call depends on the airspace classification and any specific restrictions applying to that area.

As above, in such a religious area you'd expect people to be making claims if they'd seen it.