What is the statistical boundary for violating the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Second Law of Thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, particularly the law of large numbers. It posits that while small fluctuations in entropy can occur in systems, these do not constitute violations of the Second Law, especially in large systems with billions of particles. The Boltzmann distribution allows for minor decreases in entropy, but such events become increasingly rare as system size grows. The Second Law is fundamentally about the behavior of large systems, making it inviolable under typical conditions. Therefore, deviations from expected entropy increases are statistically insignificant and do not challenge the law's validity.
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Is it fair to say that the 2nd Law basically is the law of large numbers, which given the immense numbers of microstates involved in entropy calculations, is inviolable?

With a Boltzmann distribution, one could have arbitrarily small decreases in entropy from time t to t+1 as for a system at equilibrium there would be some fluctuation proportional to the variance of the distribution. In a pool table example, while a return to the original state of the cue ball traveling toward the racked balls would be an incredibly unlikely event, one would expect that elastic collisions from time to time would leave one ball at rest - which would, I guess, be a trivial and temporary reduction of the dispersal of energy in the system. If this is correct, is there some statistical boundary (i.e. x standard deviations of the Bolzmann distribution) that would be have to passed to constitute a violation of the 2nd Law?
 
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BWV said:
If this is correct, is there some statistical boundary (i.e. x standard deviations of the Bolzmann distribution) that would be have to passed to constitute a violation of the 2nd Law?

If you take the Second Law to say that there is only a tendency for entropy to increase (and that counterexamples would become vanishingly rare as system size increases, as you point out), then this deviation wouldn't even be a violation.
 
It is implicit that thermodynamics is about the behaviour of systems containing at least billions of billions of particles for which a temperature is defined. Such systems will always obey the second law. The second law was never meant to apply to systems of 16 particles, such as balls on a pool table.

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BWV said:
Is it fair to say that the 2nd Law basically is the law of large numbers, which given the immense numbers of microstates involved in entropy calculations, is inviolable?
Yes, and statistical thermodynamics let's you even determine the expected variance if a system gets tiny. See Chapter 6 in "http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0810.1019
 
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