What is the tension force for this system in rotational equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around a system in rotational equilibrium, focusing on the calculation of tension force and the associated torques. Participants are exploring the relationship between forces and their moment arms in the context of rotational dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definition of the length L in relation to the system setup, questioning whether it refers to the length of the cord or another measurement. There are discussions on different methods to calculate moments due to forces at oblique angles.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants providing insights into the calculation methods for moment arms. Clarifications are being sought regarding the parameters involved, but no consensus has been reached on the exact definition of L or its implications for the calculations.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the system is in rotational equilibrium, and there is a focus on ensuring that all torques are balanced. The discussion includes potential confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the length L and its role in the calculations.

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Torque = Fnet x L
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The system is in rotational equilibrium and therefore experiences no net torque, meaning all individual torques must add to zero.

τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

τNET = 0 = FTsin30°(0.6?) - (0.5)(9.8)(0.6) - (2.0)(0.6/2)

My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale.
 
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Np14 said:
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The system is in rotational equilibrium and therefore experiences no net torque, meaning all individual torques must add to zero.

τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

τNET = 0 = FTsin30°(0.6?) - (0.5)(9.8)(0.6) - (2.0)(0.6/2)

My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale.
Is L the length of the cord or some other length?
 
Np14 said:
My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale
I think you mean that your problem is finding the moment arm for that force. You seem to be clear that L is the length of the beam.

There are essentially three ways to find the moments due to forces at oblique angles, all leading to the same answer, as you can check.
1. Use the line and magnitude of the force as is, and set the moment arm as the perpendicular distance from the line of the force to the axis.
2. Take the moment arm as the distance from the point of application of the force to the axis, but only use that component of the force which is at right angles to that moment arm.
3. Use the force as in 1 and the moment arm as in 2, but multiply their product by the sine of the angle between them.
 
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Np14 said:
τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

EDIT: My bad, there should only be one F for the first expression (didn't use two in my calculations anyways)

kuruman said:
Is L the length of the cord or some other length?

I see what you mean. The length should be some constant times L, I just don't know what it should be.

haruspex said:
1. Use the line and magnitude of the force as is, and set the moment arm as the perpendicular distance from the line of the force to the axis.

Using the first way,
sin30 x 0.6 = 0.3

I guess I just typed the equations into the calculator wrong because I got 29 N now which is the correct answer. Anyways, thanks for the clarification.
 

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