What is the tension force for this system in rotational equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension force in a system in rotational equilibrium, where the net torque is zero. Participants clarify that the length L refers to the beam's length, not the cord's length, and emphasize the importance of correctly identifying the moment arm for the forces involved. Various methods for calculating moments due to forces at oblique angles are discussed, all leading to the same outcome. One participant resolves their confusion by correctly applying the sine function and recalculating, arriving at the correct tension force of 29 N. The conversation highlights the significance of precise calculations and understanding of torque in equilibrium systems.
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Torque = Fnet x L
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The system is in rotational equilibrium and therefore experiences no net torque, meaning all individual torques must add to zero.

τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

τNET = 0 = FTsin30°(0.6?) - (0.5)(9.8)(0.6) - (2.0)(0.6/2)

My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale.
 
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Np14 said:
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The system is in rotational equilibrium and therefore experiences no net torque, meaning all individual torques must add to zero.

τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

τNET = 0 = FTsin30°(0.6?) - (0.5)(9.8)(0.6) - (2.0)(0.6/2)

My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale.
Is L the length of the cord or some other length?
 
Np14 said:
My only problem (I think) is figuring out what the length L is for the cord holding the spring scale
I think you mean that your problem is finding the moment arm for that force. You seem to be clear that L is the length of the beam.

There are essentially three ways to find the moments due to forces at oblique angles, all leading to the same answer, as you can check.
1. Use the line and magnitude of the force as is, and set the moment arm as the perpendicular distance from the line of the force to the axis.
2. Take the moment arm as the distance from the point of application of the force to the axis, but only use that component of the force which is at right angles to that moment arm.
3. Use the force as in 1 and the moment arm as in 2, but multiply their product by the sine of the angle between them.
 
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Np14 said:
τNET = 0 = FFTsin(θ)L - FgL - Fg(L/2)

EDIT: My bad, there should only be one F for the first expression (didn't use two in my calculations anyways)

kuruman said:
Is L the length of the cord or some other length?

I see what you mean. The length should be some constant times L, I just don't know what it should be.

haruspex said:
1. Use the line and magnitude of the force as is, and set the moment arm as the perpendicular distance from the line of the force to the axis.

Using the first way,
sin30 x 0.6 = 0.3

I guess I just typed the equations into the calculator wrong because I got 29 N now which is the correct answer. Anyways, thanks for the clarification.
 
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