What is the thread's length pulled and the variation factor of velocity?

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The problem involves a ball attached to a thread that moves around a vertical axis with a constant velocity. The ball's distance from the axis changes as the thread is pulled, altering the angle of the thread. The original poster seeks to determine the length of the thread that is pulled and the variation factor of velocity as the angle changes from 30º to 60º.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate tension, weight, and velocity using trigonometric relationships and conservation of angular momentum. They express uncertainty about applying angular momentum conservation correctly and question their approach to the equations derived.

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Participants are engaging with the original poster's attempts to solve the problem by suggesting the inclusion of conservation of angular momentum to create additional equations. There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct application of these concepts, with no consensus reached yet.

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Hello, guys. I'm not a native english speaker, so don't mind if I wrote something incorrectly (if you find any error or difficulty in what I wrote just inform me, please).

A little ball is hold by a thread of negligible mass which moves round a vertical axis with constant velocity. It keeps a distance of 0,5m from the axis when the anglo θ is equal 30º (as shown in the figure uploaded). The thread goes through a little hole O in a slab and it is slowly pulled up until the angle Θ becomes 60º. What is the thread's length pulled? What is the variation factor of velocity?

Homework Equations


L = rxmv, T*senΘ=mv²/R and T*cosΘ-mg = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried solving this question this way:
"let T1 be the tension when θ1=30º, m*g be the weight and v1 be the velocity. Then we can get tg30º = (m*(v1)²/R1)/(mg) = √3/3 => √3/3*g=v²1/R1 (I)
and when Θ=60º we have √3g=v²2/R2. (II)
From these equations I divided I by II:
1/3= (v1/v2)²*R2/R1 and obtained (III). But we threen unknows (v2, R2, v1) and only one equation.

I imagine the angular momentum might conserve in the perpendicular direction to the plane of motion of the mass once it is slowly pulled up, but I have no idea how to apply this.

P.S.: I used R but it is the same in meaning as d in the figure.
 

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You have two equations, (I) and (II). Add to them conservation of angular momentum, and you will have three equations and three unknowns. Solve.
 
That's the problem. I don't know how to apply conservation of angular momentum. I tried M*v1*(R1/tgθ1) = M*v2*(R2/tgθ2) where R/tgθ is the distance from the point O to the plane of motion and it was incorrect. Can you tell me why?
 
You said that ##R## was the same as ##d## in the figure. Then angular momentum is simply ##m v_1 R_1## and ##m v_2 R_2##.
 
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