What is the voltage gain for this circuit?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the voltage gain (Vo/Vs) for a given circuit with specified parameters such as β, Vt, and Vbe(on). The user attempts to find the Thevenin equivalent voltage (Vth) and resistance (Rth) using two different methods, ultimately settling on Rth as R2//R1. There is confusion regarding the placement of Vo, which is initially labeled at the emitter but should be at the collector. Additionally, the impact of the emitter bypass capacitor and the source resistance on the calculations is highlighted, emphasizing the need for accurate circuit representation. The importance of frequency in determining Vs is also noted, indicating that while Vs is arbitrary, its characteristics can influence the gain.
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Homework Statement


assume β=200,Vt=26mV,Vbe(on)=0.7V
Find the voltage gain Vo/Vs

How to find the Rth , Vs ,then find the voltage gain?
I try to draw the circuit diagram below

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Vth=[R2/(R1+R2)]*15
Vth=1.63V

Which method should I use to find Rth?
Rth=R2//R1
=5.53k ohm
or
I see this formula Rth=0.1Re(1+β) on my book
Rth=0.1Re(1+β)
=10.3k ohm

I assume Rth=R2//R1
Vth=Rth*Ib+Ie*Re+Vbe
Vth=Rth*Ib+(1+β)*Ib*Re+0.7
Ib=8.57μA

Rπ=Vt/Ib
Rπ=26m/8.57μ
Rπ=3.03k ohm

Assume my small signal model diagram is correct
Vb=ib*Rπ
Vo=-βib*Rc

But how to find the Vs
then I can find the voltage gain(Vo/Vs)?
=[Vo/Vb]*[Vb/Vs]
 

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Vs is arbitrary, representing some small signal. The gain will be a ratio, so the particular value of Vs is not important. What may be important, though, is the frequency of Vs.
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Notice where Vo is on your circuit diagram: It's not the voltage at the collector! What effect do you think the 20 μF emitter bypass capacitor is going to have? You may need to take a closer look at how the capacitors in the circuit are going to affect things, and perhaps examine the emitter circuit in more detail for your small signal equivalent.

Your circuit diagram shows the source resistance labelled with a capacitance value. Presumably that was meant to be associated with CC1. Is there a resistance value for the source resistor?
 
Thank you
the resistot with wrong label is the internal resistor of the signal generator
I think it can be neglected during the calculation since the value is not given
 
kelvin56484984 said:
Thank you
the resistor with wrong label is the internal resistor of the signal generator
I think it can be neglected during the calculation since the value is not given
And the voltage is at the collector
 
Is the given circuit diagram not correct? It shows Vo connected to the emitter.
 
gneill said:
Is the given circuit diagram not correct? It shows Vo connected to the emitter.
Yes , I make some mistakes when drawing the circuit
Vo should be at the collector
 
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