What makes a matrix positive ?

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The discussion focuses on the conditions for a matrix to be considered positive definite, specifically in the context of 2x2 matrices. It clarifies that the ordering of matrices can be determined by the property that a matrix A is greater than matrix B if the difference (A-B) is positive definite. The original matrices provided in the example do not meet the criteria for positive definiteness, as demonstrated by a counterexample. The definition of positive definite matrices is highlighted, emphasizing that for a matrix M, x*Mx must be greater than zero for all non-zero vectors x. The conversation concludes with a reminder that the matrices in question do not satisfy the positive definiteness requirement.
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Homework Statement



Find an example with 2 * 2 matrices for which: 0 (= or < ) a (= or < ) b does not imply a 2 (= or <) b2.

the trace and the determinant of both a and b matrices should be positive !

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i just need to know 2 things :

1- is there an ordering operation over matrices ? how is it determined ?
2- what makes a matrix larger than or equal to zero ??
 
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now i found these two matrices :

a =
1 2
-1 0

b=
1 2
-1 0


a2 =
-1 2
-1 -2

b2 =
1 4
0 1

is it a valid answer for the question ?
 
Umm, I think you made a typo... a=b in your example...
 
The definition of a positive definite matrix is x*Mx>0 for all non-zero vectors x. The wiki page above is a good source.

Neither a or b are positive definite matrices. For instance {-1,2}*a{-1,2}=-1 for the a you gave.

This concept can be used to order matrices by saying that a>b if (a-b) is positive definite.

Hope this helps you.

-S
 
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