Where Does Momentum Go Near Merging Black Holes?

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So the discussion might be better in a more advanced thread.In summary, the conversation discusses the effects of black hole mergers on momentum and gravity. It is suggested that when black holes merge, they create new gravity that is supposed to attract objects. However, in general relativity, momentum is conserved locally and it is unclear how this translates into global momentum conservation. The post also mentions the need to upgrade from classical to relativistic thinking when considering black holes. Overall, the topic is deemed too complex for a B-level thread and may be better suited for a more advanced discussion.
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Let's say you start 2 rockets in the opposite direction from a platform that's close to two soon to be merging black holes, the first rocket starts way before the second, but the second will ultimately fly a bit further, before they stop and fly back to towards the black hole(s). When black holes merge, they create new gravity and this gravity is supposed to attract the rockets. The second rocket who is closer to the merged black hole and has more momentum than the first rocket will not make it as far as the first one. This means that the second rocket that had more momentum, is losing some momentum and the first rocket will actually fly back faster. Where has the momentum of the second rocket gone?

But what if gravity doesn't really attract, but it actually increases the momentum and this effect is only visible when new gravity is created?
 
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Filmo said:
When black holes merge, they create new gravity
The merger of black holes does not create new gravity. Heuristically, the gravitation of one merged hole is the same as the combined gravitational effects of two separate holes.

In general relativity, momentum is conserved locally. I am not expert enough to know how this translates into global momentum conservation. Or the extent to which a law of global momentum conservation can even be stated in the context of curved space-time.
 
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Let's say you start 2 rockets in the opposite direction from a platform that's close to two soon to be merging black holes, the first rocket starts way before the second, but the second will ultimately fly a bit further, before they stop and fly back to towards the black hole(s). When black holes merge, they create new gravity and this gravity is supposed to attract the rockets. The second rocket who is closer to the merged black hole and has more momentum than the first rocket will not make it as far as the first one. This means that the second rocket that had more momentum, is losing some momentum and the first rocket will actually fly back faster. Where has the momentum of the second rocket gone?
This post is too much a confusion of ideas to be answerable. There are no black holes in classical physics - so, as an absolute minimum you would need to upgrade your ideas of time, space, momentum and motion from classical to relativistic thinking.
 
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When black holes merge, they create new gravity
What does this mean? Are you taking about non-linear parts of the Einstein field equations? If so, can you point a reference to exactly what effects you mean by this?

Momentum is locally conserved, so if any momentum disappears from the matter then it must go into local gravitational waves.
 
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Are you taking about non-linear parts of the Einstein field equations?
Not in a B-level thread, I would imagine!
 
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Not in a B-level thread, I would imagine!
Definitely not! But I cannot think of any other legitimate meaning for the phrase about creating new gravity.
 
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1. What is momentum and why is it important near merging black holes?

Momentum is a measure of an object's mass and velocity. It is important near merging black holes because it determines the direction and speed of their movement, as well as the trajectory of any surrounding matter.

2. How does the momentum of black holes change during a merger?

During a merger, the momentum of black holes changes as they spiral towards each other. As they get closer, their momentum increases due to the conservation of angular momentum, causing them to spin faster and faster.

3. Does the momentum of black holes affect the surrounding space?

Yes, the momentum of black holes can affect the surrounding space. As they merge, they release gravitational waves that ripple through space, carrying away energy and momentum. This can have an impact on the motion of other objects in the vicinity.

4. Can the momentum of black holes be measured?

The momentum of black holes can be indirectly measured through the observation of their effects on surrounding matter, such as the distortion of light or the movement of stars. However, it is difficult to directly measure the momentum of black holes.

5. What happens to the momentum of black holes after they merge?

After black holes merge, their combined momentum is conserved, meaning it cannot be created or destroyed. This results in the newly formed black hole having a higher momentum than its individual components before the merger.

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