Which is worse: Cigars or Cigarettes

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The discussion centers on comparing the health risks of smoking cigars versus cigarettes. Participants acknowledge that both are harmful, but debate which is worse. It is noted that smoking one cigar is generally considered worse than smoking one cigarette, especially since cigars can be equivalent to multiple cigarettes in terms of nicotine and tar. Cigar smokers typically do not inhale, which some believe may reduce certain risks, but they still face significant dangers, particularly concerning oral cancers. The conversation also touches on personal experiences with smoking, addiction, and the societal implications of smoking in public spaces. Some participants express frustration over smoking bans, arguing for personal choice, while others emphasize the health risks to non-smokers and the broader public health impact. The discussion highlights the complex interplay of addiction, health consequences, and societal norms surrounding smoking.
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I know what you all are going to say: They are both bad for you! But I want to find out which one is really worse for you.

I of course know that smoking one cigar is worse than smoking one cigarette. But I was wondering what would be worse: smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, or smoking one cigar a day?
 
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cigarettes are worse
 
They are both bad for you!

I strongly advise against both, as they can kill you.
 
Well.. i heard a cigar is like 10 cigarettes... so i take it cigars are worse :P
 
Cigar smokers generally don't inhail, whether that makes a difference or not I don't know.
 
Anttech said:
Cigar smokers generally don't inhail, whether that makes a difference or not I don't know.

Ya, I forgot to mention that.

I also forgot to mention that I am asking this question since I recently started smoking cigars (I am sure most of you realized that already from the way the post was written). But I don't inhale. And yes, I know it is still bad. They are both bad; we can all agree on that. But does anyone have any factual info on the health difference between cigarettes and cigars?
 
Nothing000 said:
Ya, I forgot to mention that.

I also forgot to mention that I am asking this question since I recently started smoking cigars (I am sure most of you realized that already from the way the post was written). But I don't inhale. And yes, I know it is still bad. They are both bad; we can all agree on that. But does anyone have any factual info on the health difference between cigarettes and cigars?

You can find lots of facts on the internet. I think cigar smokers (who don't inhale) possesses a greater oral cavity cancer (of any kind) potential. Inhaling any type of cigar is pure madness. Further on, I think it looks pretty stupid, specially if you're younger, but suit yourself.
 
How the hell do you know I am younger. I could easilly be in my early 130's for all you know.

Hey, do you like the deftones?
 
Nothing000 said:
How the hell do you know I am younger. I could easilly be in my early 130's for all you know.

Hey, do you like the deftones?

I said, if you're younger. It's only a possibility. :smile:
 
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Good. Because I am in fact 132 years YOUNG. Hey, homes, do you like Deftones? And more important, do like Beastie Boys?
 
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I think it is gross that Havana cigars are rolled into shape on the thighs of Cuban women.
So, just cigarettes for me.
 
  • #12
Cuban's are lovely... I only smoke 'em at special occasions, like new Year. Takes me a good few hours to finish them.
 
  • #13
Other areas are probably different. Here, it's the addatives in cigarette tobacco that make them worse. I always inhale cigars and pipes when I smoke them, but that's just because they aren't too far removed from the unfiltered cigarettes that I use. I pretty much gave up both of them with the advent of the emphysema because they're too harsh. Still working on the cigarette thing. :rolleyes:
 
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Cigars, not inhaled.
Approximately 50% of people with oral cancer will live more than 5 years after diagnosis and treatment. If the cancer is detected early, before it has spread to other tissues, the cure rate is nearly 75%. Unfortunately, more than 50% of oral cancers are advanced at the time the cancer is detected. Most have spread to the throat or neck.

cigarettes
Lung cancer is the most lethal of cancers worldwide, causing up to 3 million deaths annually. Only one in ten patients diagnosed with this disease will survive the next five years.

So its just a matter of chooseing which way you perfer to die. I have seen the bodies from both kinds of deaths, neither is very pretty.
 
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hypatia said:
I have seen the bodies from both kinds of deaths, neither is very pretty.
What the #$!% do you do for a living!:bugeye:
 
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What about pipe smoking? Not that I'd consider it... I don't smoke... I just sometimes like the smell of someone who does. A mild cigarette smoke reminds me of a good girl-friend, stronger cigarettes of some European pals, etc... and well, I was walking down the street this past week and someone on the other sidewalk was smoking a pipe... and I inhaled the smell of some memories... and it was kinda nice. Could I encourage someone to smoke an occasional pipe without enormous amounts of guilt? I already know a few guys that smoke an occasional cigar. Cigars vs. pipe? Anyone know?
 
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physics girl phd said:
What about pipe smoking? Not that I'd consider it... I don't smoke... I just sometimes like the smell of someone who does. A mild cigarette smoke reminds me of a good girl-friend, stronger cigarettes of some European pals, etc... and well, I was walking down the street this past week and someone on the other sidewalk was smoking a pipe... and I inhaled the smell of some memories... and it was kinda nice. Could I encourage someone to smoke an occasional pipe without enormous amounts of guilt? I already know a few guys that smoke an occasional cigar. Cigars vs. pipe? Anyone know?
My dad smoked a pipe and I bought him a humidor for his pipe tobacco, it smelled so good.

I know someone that smokes a pipe and he doesn't believe me that it won't bother me. There is so much difference between cigarette and pipe smoke.
 
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Nothing000 said:
How the hell do you know I am younger. I could easilly be in my early 130's for all you know.

Hey, do you like the deftones?

in that case I would advise chocolate with sigar taste.
 
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I think it is gross that Havana cigars are rolled into shape on the thighs of Cuban women.
*thinks how cigars look* Ah! So Cuban women are all pirates with peg legs!
 
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as a freshman in college i was pontificating about the evils of drinking when a friend pointed out: "you smoke. that's worse for you than drinking." i never knew that, having been "educated" by self righteous right wing religious morons.

as a grown man with serious lung problems, i suggest dropping both cigars and cigarettes.
 
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mathwonk said:
as a grown man with serious lung problems, i suggest dropping both cigars and cigarettes.
You too, huh? Every time that I see kids smoking, I suggest that they stop. I also have to tell them that hearing that as a kid made me more determined to keep at it. Now, I try to point out that it has nothing to do with any moral stance. It's killing me, and I don't want to see it happen to someone else who can have a meaningful life. And the hell of it is, I still enjoy it. I have the Nicorette inhaler (aerosol nicotine), but it just isn't the same... :frown: ) So I still smoke Canadian Classic with the filter ripped off. (As I like to tell curious onlookers: if I want to suck on a tampon, I have far more disgusting ways to do it than to pay to have one one the end of my cigarette.)
 
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Wanna be a convincing role-model? Stop.
 
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arildno said:
I think it is gross that Havana cigars are rolled into shape on the thighs of Cuban women.
I know a few Cuban women.
Now if I could just talk them into rolling cigars on their thighs o:)
 
  • #24
Well, if you keep them blindfolded, you can just tell them that it's a cigar... :rolleyes:
 
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Nothing000 said:
I know what you all are going to say: They are both bad for you! But I want to find out which one is really worse for you.

I of course know that smoking one cigar is worse than smoking one cigarette. But I was wondering what would be worse: smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, or smoking one cigar a day?
Cigarettes are MUCH better. Take it from me. I especially recommend Gauloises Blondes, my favourite brand.

If you smoke up to 5 cigarettes per day, smoking is not too harmful. Really, it gives a lot of joy and no it does NOT make you feel bad. I am sure that some people here will agree with me.

Don't always listen to them cheap morals of the "health police".

Enjoy but don't overdo it...lol

greets marlon
 
  • #26
verty said:
Wanna be a convincing role-model? Stop.

Was this a message about smoking?
Or was it a message to Danger? :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
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:-p ..[/color]
 
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In that case I recommend reading http://www.quitsmoking.com/books/smokestop/index.htm . It's guaranteed that you quit :approve: . Definitely


The question is with what, smoking or reading? :rolleyes:
 
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Was this a message about smoking?
Or was it a message to Danger?

Did I take Danger too seriously? I guess he might have been taking the mickey, but I'm sure plenty people think that way.
 
  • #30
In that case I recommend reading this book. It's guaranteed that you quit . Definitely

Speaking of which, Allen Carr's book is really good.
 
  • #31
2 things finally helped me quit:
1) i read that it is the number 1 factor in heart disease that is within my control (my dad died of heart faiure).
2) one day after class, (I even smoked in class) a student who was struggling to get a D, told me he was concerned about my smoking.

i thought, if a kid that slow feels sorry for me, I must be a real moron to smoke.
 
  • #32
obviously the solution is to inject nicotine directly into your bloodstream. No tar from that, and it feeds the addiction.

The only problem is avoiding ODing because nicotine is incredibly poisonous.
 
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A smoker does not inhale with cigars? Is it just like having a piece of harmful incense in your mouth then?
 
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obviously the solution is to inject nicotine directly into your bloodstream.

No! Nicotine is highly addictive. Why would you want to keep dosing yourself with it? Nicotine is the first thing that must go.
 
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gosh I didnt realize how many people smoked. how did you guys start? didn't you consider the long-term health effects? How does it give you satisfaction? Is it lilke an epicurean thing to do?
 
  • #36
I started 35 years ago. It was just something to do, and socially acceptable. There was even a 20 x 50 foot designated smoking area just outside the back door at school, with 45-gallon ashcans, to keep butts out of the parking lot.
 
  • #37
The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.
 
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as i have heard cigarettes are worse
 
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actually this is offtopic , but i don't want to create new topic .
so , kk cigaretes r bad , but they r also good in a way .
i'm addicted to cigateres and i smoke 10 cigaretes a day , but i smoke em not because of the pleause , but because without em i won't be able to be "online" for 18 hours a day , may be that's the main reason , why i smoke - i need to stay awake :) .
 
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whitay said:
The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

Smokers take away my personal choice to be in a club or pub. I have asthma and smoke is my #1 trigger for an attack. Being around drinking does not cut off my air supply. I love to go to a small club to see a band play but cannot due to the smoke.
My father(a smoker) told himself all the lies that smokers tell themselves but in the end he found out he, not the public health officials, was the liar as he slowly and miserably died from suffocation(emphysema).
 
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larkspur said:
Smokers take away my personal choice to be in a club or pub. I have asthma and smoke is my #1 trigger for an attack. Being around drinking does not cut off my air supply. I love to go to a small club to see a band play but cannot due to the smoke.

That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma. I'm asthmatic to the point where being in a dusty room finishes me for the day if I'm not on medicine, and have only had one attack in the past year, and it was very mild and didn't actually prevent me from jogging back home (so I don't know if you can call it an attack, so much as a bit of trouble for a couple of minutes). If you're not seeing a specialist, go see one, it will free your life up.

My father(a smoker) told himself all the lies that smokers tell themselves but in the end he found out he, not the public health officials, was the liar as he slowly and miserably died from suffocation(emphysema).

While it's a sad tale surely, are you suggesting we ban people from doing things they only do because they lie to themselves (is the impression I get)?
 
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Nothing000 said:
How the hell do you know I am younger. I could easilly be in my early 130's for all you know.

Hey, do you like the deftones?

You're acting like a fool, so I would guess young too.

Sure older people are fools too, but not normally this foolish.
 
  • #43
It's all about the false image of ourselves. Smoking is all due to the uncountable number of (stupid) movies where the 'hot shots' smoke. And they really do look cool with the cigarettes in their mouths. Nowdays no heroes smoke in movies. But they did. An it left an impression. It became part of an entire culture. We can deny it, but it is so. At least in my case. And in the case of many other people. It's an image which was created, and it left a deep scar.

But it seems people are becoming aware, finally.

The worse part is that I smoke, too. Not much (I can't smoke in my home, because my parents and sister are non smokers, and that's actually great!), but I smoke.
 
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whitay said:
The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

When I'm in a pub, my drinking does not affect the health of the person on the next table. That's the difference. I enjoy going to pubs, clubs, gigs. Why should I have my night ruined by an inconsiderate smoker, who could go outside to feed his habit?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma. I'm asthmatic to the point where being in a dusty room finishes me for the day if I'm not on medicine, and have only had one attack in the past year, and it was very mild and didn't actually prevent me from jogging back home (so I don't know if you can call it an attack, so much as a bit of trouble for a couple of minutes). If you're not seeing a specialist, go see one, it will free your life up.

The only thing left for me to do medically is to go on oral prednisone. I am not willing to do that. I'll just stay away from smokers as much as possible.



While it's a sad tale surely, are you suggesting we ban people from doing things they only do because they lie to themselves (is the impression I get)?
No. I am suggesting that smokers are so addicted they talk themselves into believing is it not harming them. If you smoke and are convinced it is not going to harm you , visit a pulmonologist and ask them if you are correct.

I am constantly amazed at the intelligent young people on this board that smoke. The tobacco companies are doing something right aren't they?
 
  • #46
Larkspur, what steroid are you on?
 
  • #47
verty said:
Larkspur, what steroid are you on?
Flovent inhaler
 
  • #48
That means you have a terrible doctor managing your asthma.

No, I don't think that's true. Smoke may be a major trigger no matter how asthma is managed.

See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/asthma/commontriggers_index.shtml

The legislation for banning smoking in pubs, clubs, etc. Is utter carp, it's a statement which says "We're going to take away your personal choice". Think about it, you choose to be in a pub or club, you choose to drink. Yet others cannot choose to smoke there.

So, do I have a personal choice to go about spraying cans of carbon monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens in my neighborhood? I'd probably get arrested doing that.
 
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siddharth said:
So, do I have a personal choice to go about spraying cans of carbon monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens in my neighborhood? I'd probably get arrested doing that.
If your talking about your car.
You'll only get arrested for speeding, running stop signs and the like.
Apparenly no one cares that it's spraying all these things around :rolleyes:
 
  • #50
NoTime said:
If your talking about your car.
You'll only get arrested for speeding, running stop signs and the like.
Apparenly no one cares that it's spraying all these things around :rolleyes:

Actually, I was talking about cigarettes. Carbon Monoxide, cyanide and carcinogens are some of the components of cigarette smoke.
 

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