Who wants to help me maximize the area of a kite? (Optimization)

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The problem involves maximizing the area of a kite constructed from four pieces of wood, with two pieces of length 'a' and two of length 'b'. The original poster is tasked with determining the length of additional middle pieces to support the structure while maximizing the area.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the variables and considers cutting the kite into parts to rearrange it into a rectangle, but struggles with isolating variables and managing multiple variables. Some participants question the feasibility of the kite's construction and the implications of using different lengths for 'a' and 'b'.

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The discussion reflects a mix of confusion and exploration regarding the problem's setup and assumptions. Some participants express doubts about the problem's requirements and the appropriateness of using a computer algebra system, while others provide insights into the geometric properties involved.

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Participants note that the problem may not align with the current curriculum, particularly regarding the use of computer algebra systems, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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I just can't figure this problem out.

Homework Statement



You have four pieces of wood, two with length a and two with length b, and you arrange them in the shape of a kite (pieces of equal length placed adjacent to each other). You want to build a cross in the middle as a support. How long should the middle pieces be to maximize the area of the kite?

Sorry, there was a picture in the textbook, but it should be pretty straight forward.

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It's optimization.

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't figure out how to relate the variables to each other. I know that you can cut the kite in half symmetrically, and rearrange the kite into a rectangle with length y and width x. That was what I tried to do, but I still couldn't figure it out. I ended up with a whole bunch of square roots and I couldn't isolate the variable.

I tried arranging the pieces in different triangles, but I ended up with too many variables.

Any hints would be appreciated.
 
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Are you sure you have posted the information of this problem exactly as given? For one thing, you don't make a kite by building a frame around it. And besides, after you have used your four pieces of wood, what are you supposed to use to build the cross pieces?

For another thing, if a != b, your kite is in the shape of a rhombus; the angle formed by a short piece and a long piece is not 90 degrees. You can't cut the kite in half and form a rectangle. Instead, what you get is a parallelogram.
 
sorry, i meant cut the kite into four. then you can rearrange it into a rectangle.

i was looking at the problem in the textbook and i noticed a little symbol beside the number. it said "CAS". and so i searched the textbook for what "CAS" meant and it turns out it stands for "computer algebra system". in other words, my instructor assigned us a problem that she shouldn't have, because we don't learn how to use computer algebra systems in this course. thanks anyway.
 
nietzsche said:
sorry, i meant cut the kite into four. then you can rearrange it into a rectangle.
No you can't, not of the values of a and b are different. For a rectangle, sides a and b have to meet at a 90 degree angle. This can't happen if a and b are different.
nietzsche said:
i was looking at the problem in the textbook and i noticed a little symbol beside the number. it said "CAS". and so i searched the textbook for what "CAS" meant and it turns out it stands for "computer algebra system". in other words, my instructor assigned us a problem that she shouldn't have, because we don't learn how to use computer algebra systems in this course. thanks anyway.
 
Mark44 said:
No you can't, not of the values of a and b are different. For a rectangle, sides a and b have to meet at a 90 degree angle. This can't happen if a and b are different.

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hehe

either way, the problem is too hard for the level I'm at. need a computer.
 
P = \frac{1}{2}d_1 d_2 = ab \sin(\angle ab)

If we represent is as function f(x)=absin(x), then to maximize the area f'(x)=0 and f''(x)>0.

So f'(x)=abcos(x) .

abcos(x)=0

cos(x)=0

And x=п/2.

f''(x)=absin(x)

f''(п/2)=ab>0 and for x=п/2 the area is maximized.
 

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