Why Do the Densities Cancel in the Oscillation Frequency of a Floating Cylinder?

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The discussion focuses on the oscillation frequency of a floating cylinder, specifically addressing why densities cancel in the derived formula for angular frequency. The equation for angular frequency, ω², is initially expressed as gρ(water)/(lρ(cylinder)), but confusion arises regarding the correct use of submerged length (l) versus total height (L). Participants clarify that the buoyant force, determined by the density of water, balances the weight of the submerged cylinder, leading to the cancellation of densities in the final expression. The correct interpretation of equilibrium conditions and the application of Archimedes' Principle are emphasized as key to understanding the problem. Ultimately, the discussion resolves around ensuring the correct variables are used in the equations to arrive at the expected solution.
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Homework Statement



A cylinder of diameter d floats with l of its length submerged. The total height is L. Assume no damping. At time t = 0 the cylinder is pushed down a distance B and released.


What is the frequency of oscillation?

Homework Equations



f = ω/2\pi
Ma = F_{(bouyancy)}
Writing this in our differential form, making proper substitutions, and noting that bouyancy is affected by the distance that our cylinder is submerged we come to.

dx^2 (M_{(cylinder)}) + x (\rho_{(water)} g Area_{(cylinder face)})= 0

we know that M_{(cylinder)} = V_{(cylinder)}\rho_{(cylinder)}

hence we should have
ω^2 = (\rho_{(water)} g Area_{(cylinder face)}) / V_{cylinder}\rho_{(cylinder)} = g\rho_{(water)} / l \rho_{(cylinder)}

however the solution in my problem set has ω^2 = g/l. Can anyone shed some light on why the densities may cancel??
 
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hi ozone! :smile:
ozone said:
g\rho_{(water)} / l \rho_{(cylinder)}

(that's the same as g/L)

i haven't followed what you've done, but i'd guess you've used the wrong expression for the mass of the cylinder :confused:

just use a (vertical) force equation for the cylinder (at depth l + x) :wink:
 
the mass of the cylinder is the density of the cylinder times the area.. but the force from the water depends only on the density of water.. that is why i don't understand how the densities are canceled out.
 
In the denominator of your final expression for ω2, is that a small l or a capital L?

You can find an expression for the ratio of the two densities in terms of the ratio of l and L by considering the condition for equilibrium when length l of the cylinder is submerged.
 
But in the expression that you derived: ω2 = gρw/lρc, you should have a capital L rather than a lower case l in the denominator. Then you should be able to show that this expression reduces to the correct answer.
 
We never learned about fluid dynamics in my mechanics class, but I am guessing that the water displaced in equilibrium is equal to the mass of the cylinder?
 
ozone said:
We never learned about fluid dynamics in my mechanics class, but I am guessing that the water displaced in equilibrium is equal to the mass of the cylinder?

Yes. Archimedes Principle: Buoyant force = weight of fluid displaced

In equilibrium, Buoyant force equals the weight of the floating object.
 
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