Why Does a Block Topple on a Moving Cart?

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving a block on an accelerating cart, where the block topples instead of sliding due to friction. The user seeks to determine the acceleration at which the block will topple, identifying key forces such as weight, normal force, and friction. Confusion arises regarding the source of the counterclockwise torque responsible for the toppling, with the user questioning the role of the pseudo force and its direction. Clarification is provided that the normal and frictional forces act at the corner of the block, not through the center of mass, contributing to the torque balance needed to solve for the acceleration. The conversation emphasizes the importance of analyzing forces and torques at the moment just before toppling to find a general solution.
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Hey guys, I'm struggling a little bit with this physics problem (look at the attachment for a diagram of the situation about to outline).

There is a cart, upon which a block of a material of uniform density, with width w and height h rests. The coefficient of friction between the block and the cart is enough so that when the cart begins to accelerate, the block cannot slide, but instead topples over.

At what acceleration will the block topple? I need to find a general solution for this situation.

These are the forces I can identify:

a) the weight of the block, mg (acting through the center of mass, which lays in the geometric center of the object, since it is of uniform density)
b) the normal force to the weight of the block (acting through the center of mass, in the direction opposite to that of mg)
c) the force of friction between the block and cart (this is the force that is accelerating the cart, and it acts along the surface of the block)

The problem is, I can't figure out which force causes the counterclockwise torque that causes the block to topple over, and I know for a fact it's not one of the above three forces. I know it's a counterclockwise torque because I did some modelling using a sheet of paper and an eraser, which acted as my block). Our teacher says that the force responsible for the torque would be the "pseudo force", ma, which acts in the direction parallel to the acceleration, a, and through the center of mass.

That doesn't make sense either, because that force, ma, would cause a torque in the clockwise direction, not counterclockwise.

WTH is happening?

Also, I learned that any force going through the center of mass of an object, cannot create a torque. Why then, do we use mg (the weight of an object), in torque analyses often times?

Your help is greatly appreciated. :)
 

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The easiest way to solve this problem is to recognise that being on an accelerating cart is equivalent to being stationary in a room where the force of gravity is slightly different (in direction and magnitude, though it's the former that determines whether an object is balanced).

If that's conceptually problematic, note that just before the "topple" the normal and frictional forces will act on the corner (not through the c.o.m.).
 
That makes absolutely no sense to me. Can you clarify further?
 
You can express the frictional force in terms of acceleration (since all other forces are perpendicular to it). Similarly you can find the normal force in terms of the weight. At the moment just on the edge of starting to topple, you know where the normal and frictional forces are exerted and hence how much torque they contribute. Ditto gravity, hence you can balance the torques and solve for the acceleration at that moment. Show your working, however far you have progressed.
 
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