Why does light travel radially in the FRW universe?

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The discussion revolves around the propagation of light in the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (FRW) universe, specifically questioning the assumption that the angular component of light propagation, represented by ##d\Omega##, always vanishes. Participants explore the implications of this assumption across different geometries and the effects of curvature on light paths.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assumption that ##d\Omega = 0## for light propagation in the FRW metric, suggesting that light rays generally have non-zero angular motion.
  • One participant argues that while it may seem obvious for a flat geometry (k=0), the reasoning should also apply to other geometries, prompting further inquiry.
  • Another participant asserts that the only light rays observed are those directed towards the center, implying that non-zero ##d\Omega## would mean they are not directed at the center.
  • Counterarguments are presented regarding the influence of curvature on light paths, with one participant citing gravitational lensing as evidence that light can travel with ##d\Omega \neq 0##.
  • A participant raises the idea that light rays can travel along geodesics with non-zero angular components, similar to straight lines in a two-dimensional space that do not intersect a specific point.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the assumption that ##d\Omega## vanishes for light propagation, with some supporting the assumption and others challenging it based on the effects of curvature and the nature of light paths.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of light propagation in curved spacetime and the assumptions made in the derivation of properties from the FRW metric, with unresolved questions regarding the implications of curvature on light's angular motion.

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When deriving different properties from the FRW-metric $$ds^2 = -dt^2 + a^2 (d\chi^2 + S_k^2(\chi) d\Omega^2)$$ -- considering the propagation of light such that ##ds^2 = 0## -- one always assumes ##d\Omega = 0##. But how do we know that ##d\Omega## always vanish for propagating light?
 
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This is obvious for k=0; but why is it also true for the other geometries?
 
center o bass said:
When deriving different properties from the FRW-metric $$ds^2 = -dt^2 + a^2 (d\chi^2 + S_k^2(\chi) d\Omega^2)$$ -- considering the propagation of light such that ##ds^2 = 0## -- one always assumes ##d\Omega = 0##. But how do we know that ##d\Omega## always vanish for propagating light?
In general, light rays will have non-zero angular motion. But as we are orienting the coordinate system such that we are at the center, the only light rays we see are the ones that are pointed directly towards the center. If they had non-zero ##d\Omega##, then they wouldn't be pointed directly at the center and we wouldn't see them.

Curvature doesn't change this argument at all.
 
Sounds like somebody is trying to backdoor a personal theory here.
 
Chalnoth said:
In general, light rays will have non-zero angular motion. But as we are orienting the coordinate system such that we are at the center, the only light rays we see are the ones that are pointed directly towards the center. If they had non-zero ##d\Omega##, then they wouldn't be pointed directly at the center and we wouldn't see them.

Curvature doesn't change this argument at all.

I do not see why the argument that "the only light rays we see are the ones that are pointed directly towards the center" remains true when curvature is added to the picture. This is because curvature bends light; which is indeed the reason why we can see stars that are really behind the sun (the first successful test of GR). The light that travel from these stars certainly must have dΩ≠0 for otherwise they would be absorbed by it (the sun).
 
What do you think the ##\chi## coordinate describes?

You could very well have light rays traveling along geodesics with ##d\Omega\neq 0## just as you can have straight lines in ##\mathbb R^2## that do not cross the origin. However, given a straight line you can always choose your coordinate system such that it does cross the origin.
 

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