Why is 1 u = 1.6605 x 10^-27 kg?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between atomic mass units (u), grams, and the weight of a mole of diatomic nitrogen gas (N2). Participants explore the definitions and conversions between these units, addressing potential misunderstandings regarding molecular weights and the implications of atomic structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why 1 mol of N2, calculated using atomic mass units, does not match the expected weight in grams, suggesting a misunderstanding of the conversion.
  • Another participant asserts that 1 mole of atoms weighs approximately the atomic weight in grams, clarifying that 1 mole of N2 indeed weighs 28g, which is consistent with the definition of a mole.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for confusion between moles of molecules and moles of atoms, indicating a possible mix-up in terminology.
  • There is mention of ideas to redefine the Avogadro constant, which would affect the definition of atomic mass units and atomic weights, but not the concept of a mole itself.
  • One participant highlights that atomic weight is influenced by factors such as mass defect and isotopic composition, which complicates direct comparisons with simple counts of protons and neutrons.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of binding energy and its relation to mass-energy equivalence, linking it to nuclear processes like fusion and fission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of a mole and its relation to atomic weight in grams, but there is some confusion regarding the conversion between atomic mass units and grams, indicating that multiple views and interpretations remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of atomic mass units and the implications of isotopic variations, as well as the potential for redefining constants that could affect these relationships.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question.. maybe I'm largely overlooking something..

For example, 1 mol of N2 (diatomic nitrogen gas) is apparently equal to 2 x (14u) x 1.6605 x 10^-27 kg/u = 4.6494 x 10^-26 kg

Why is 1 mol of N2 not equal to (1 mol N2) x 28 g N2/1 mol N2 = 28 g = .028 kg??

These two values are quite different..

Again, sorry it this is a dumb question! I think there's something I'm not understanding??
 
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You are mis-reading something, or there is a misprint. 1 mole of atoms weighs the atomic weight in grams (well, nearly) - so 1 mole of N2 weighs 28g, as you say. 1 molecule of N2 weighs around 10-26kg. 1 mole is usually written 1mol, which is the SI abbreviation. Is it possible that there's a mol(ecule) and mol(e) mix-up?

Edit: By the way, I like "quite different". You have a way with understatement.
 
Ibix said:
1 mole of atoms weighs the atomic weight in grams (well, nearly)
Exactly, it is the (current) definition of 1 mole.

There are ideas to fix the avogadro constant, but this would include a re-definition of the atomic mass unit and change the atomic weights (at the 8. decimal place or something like this). 1 mole would stay the same.
 
Yes - apologies, I was confused. The mass in grams of a mole of anything is numerically equal to the atomic/molecular weight in Daltons. However, the atomic weight is not the same as the number of protons plus the number of neutrons in general because of (a) the mass defect and (b) the isotopic mix.
 
there is also the whole binding energy with mass/energy equivilence to think about.

for those reasons we have fusion and fission energy production.
 

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