Why is rate of dissolution constant?

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The discussion centers on the rate of dissolution of a solid A into ions in solution B(aq). Initially, a rate law is proposed that suggests a constant rate based on the concentration of the solid, which raises questions about its validity as the solid decreases in size and surface area. Several possibilities are considered to explain this discrepancy: more sophisticated expressions for dissolution that account for surface area, normalized expressions that already incorporate surface area, or scenarios where the solid dissolves slowly enough that surface area changes are negligible during measurement. The original rate law formulation is acknowledged as flawed, as dissolution before saturation is not an equilibrium process, and the solubility product constant does not apply until saturation occurs. Once saturated, the surface area becomes irrelevant since both dissolution and precipitation happen at the same surface. A reference to a textbook by Zumdahl confirms this understanding.
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A(s) <---> B(aq)
For the dissociation of A into ions, the rate law predicts a constant rate:
rate = k [solid], where the concentration of the solid is constant.
But this doesn't make sense because as the solid is becoming smaller, surface area is decreasing. Less surface area means less molecules breaking off at any interval of time (lower rate). What gives?
 
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Hmmm. Could be a few possibilities, right off the top of my head -

1.) There are more sophisticated expressions for the rate of dissolution that take surface area into account - where did you find this one?;

2.) one could be working with some sort of normalized expression for the rate of dissolution which already has taken surface area into account; or

3.) one is dealing with a solid that dissolves very slowly, so the change in surface area is negligible under the time scales involved of the measurements.
 
Mike H said:
Hmmm. Could be a few possibilities, right off the top of my head -

1.) There are more sophisticated expressions for the rate of dissolution that take surface area into account - where did you find this one?;

2.) one could be working with some sort of normalized expression for the rate of dissolution which already has taken surface area into account; or

3.) one is dealing with a solid that dissolves very slowly, so the change in surface area is negligible under the time scales involved of the measurements.

The rate law in question is not something I got from anywhere. I just used my previous knowledge of formulating rate laws and applied it in this situation. From consulting many textbooks, they introduce equilibrium constant and it's relation to the rate law for gases, but solubility product constant is randomly presented without it's relation to solution-related rates. Since equilibrium constants and rate laws were introduces in context with gases, one would think that the same relationship further applies to solutes, especially when there is a lack of warning against this exact practice on the book's part. In short, I have realized that the rate law is not what I have written.
 
Dissolution before saturation is not an equilibrium process, so the solubility products doesn't apply. Once the solution is saturated amount of solid (or rather its surface) doesn't matter, as both dissolution and precipitation occur at the same surface - so for both processes surface is identical.
 
Borek said:
Dissolution before saturation is not an equilibrium process, so the solubility products doesn't apply. Once the solution is saturated amount of solid (or rather its surface) doesn't matter, as both dissolution and precipitation occur at the same surface - so for both processes surface is identical.

Thank you Borek. I just looked up a textbook by Zumdahl and it had the same explanation.
 
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