Why is there more rust in a solution with less salt?

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The discussion revolves around the unexpected observation that steel nails rust more in a lower salt concentration (3.5g/L) compared to a higher concentration (35g/L). Participants explore potential explanations for this phenomenon, considering factors related to corrosion, electrochemistry, and the solubility of ions in different saline environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a higher rust formation in lower salt concentrations and suggests that another reaction might be occurring.
  • Another participant proposes checking the oxygen solubility and diffusion coefficient in concentrated NaCl solutions as a potential factor.
  • It is suggested that corrosion may be inhibited in higher saline solutions due to reduced solubility of resultant ions, attributed to high ionic strength.
  • One participant expresses confusion, expecting increased solubility of ions like Fe3+ in higher salt concentrations, but acknowledges that pH and complexing behavior of Cl- could influence hydrolysis and precipitation of rust.
  • A participant observes that while there is more visible surface rust and flaking in low saline solutions, high saline solutions show minimal surface rust but slightly less flaked rust.
  • Another participant agrees that corrosion typically increases with ionic strength but considers the role of oxygen solubility, noting that it decreases with salinity, which may limit corrosion in water.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between salt concentration and rust formation, with no consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms. Multiple competing explanations are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

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Participants mention factors such as ionic strength, solubility of ions, and the influence of pH, which may affect the corrosion process but are not fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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more rust in less salt??

As part of my chemistry experiments on corrosion, I am noticing that the steel nails are rusting more in solutions of 3.5g/L salt, than 35g/L salt. What could be some reasons to explain this??

I would have thought that the 35g/L solutions would have lead to more rust, not less.
Perhaps there is another reaction going on.
 
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No idea, but I would start checking oxygen solubility and difusion coefficient in the concentrated NaCl solution.
 


Reminds me that I really should brush up on my electrochemistry. :(

I'm guessing that corrosion is being inhibited due to to reduced solubility of the resultant ions, due to the high ionic strength of the solution. Although Borek's suggestions are good too.
 


alxm said:
I'm guessing that corrosion is being inhibited due to to reduced solubility of the resultant ions, due to the high ionic strength of the solution.

That makes me think... I would expect quite the opposite, increase of the solubility. Fe3+ is easily complexed by the Cl-. But a lot depends on the solution pH, as Cl- can be too weak complexing agent to prevent hydrolysis and Fe(OH)3 precipitation.

Could be nails are corroding more, just there is less rust visible.
 


In the low saline solution, there is both more visible surface rust on the nails, as well as flaked off rust. The high saline solutions have almost no surface rust, but a little less flaked off rust than the low saline solutions.
 


Borek said:
That makes me think... I would expect quite the opposite

Yeah, no you're probably right. Corrosion should normally increase with ionic strength.

The oxygen idea seems plausible though - it http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/oxygen-solubility-water-d_841.html" oxygen solubility does decrease with salinity. Corrosion in water is likely oxygen-limited (unlike in air).
 
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