Why is there no negative sign in the Faraday's Law stated here

Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the absence of a negative sign in Faraday's Law and its implications. Participants agree that the negative sign is essential for Lenz's Law, indicating that the induced current opposes changes in magnetic flux. There is a debate about the use of the term "voltage," with some arguing it should not be applied in the context of Faraday's Law due to the nature of time-varying magnetic fields. The conversation draws parallels to Hooke's Law, suggesting that directionality in physical laws often negates the need for explicit negative signs. Overall, the importance of the negative sign in maintaining consistency in electromagnetic theory is emphasized.
eognvoi
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Summary:: Figure b also shows that there is no negative sign in Faraday's Law. How do I know when to include the negative sign?

螢幕擷取畫面 2022-04-15 012242.png
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I was under the impression that the term "voltage" is used exclusively to denote the absolute value of the electric potential difference which can be positive of negative. For example, when we say that "the voltage across a capacitor is charge divided by capacitance", all three quantities are positive. In my mind, voltage is to potential difference as distance is to displacement.

I agree that the negative sign in Faraday's law is put there for Lenz's law. It indicates that the induced potential difference is such that it gives rise to an induced current that opposes the proposed change in magnetic flux. I view it as analogous to the negative sign in Hooke's law that indicates that the direction of the force exerted by the spring opposes the proposed deformation of the spring. The direction of an arrow in a free body diagram says it all and a minus sign is not needed. In fact, it would be wrong to label an arrow representing the force due to a spring by "-kx". Similarly, the direction of the induced current in a circuit says it all and a minus sign is not needed.

I remember having this conversation about voltage here at PF a number of years ago, but I could not find the link.
 
kuruman said:
I remember having this conversation about voltage here at PF a number of years ago, but I could not find the link.
Is this the "conversation" you were thinking of?
Faraday law of electromagnetic induction

 
kuruman said:
I was under the impression that the term "voltage" is used exclusively to denote the absolute value of the electric potential difference which can be positive of negative. For example, when we say that "the voltage across a capacitor is charge divided by capacitance", all three quantities are positive. In my mind, voltage is to potential difference as distance is to displacement.

I agree that the negative sign in Faraday's law is put there for Lenz's law. It indicates that the induced potential difference is such that it gives rise to an induced current that opposes the proposed change in magnetic flux. I view it as analogous to the negative sign in Hooke's law that indicates that the direction of the force exerted by the spring opposes the proposed deformation of the spring. The direction of an arrow in a free body diagram says it all and a minus sign is not needed. In fact, it would be wrong to label an arrow representing the force due to a spring by "-kx". Similarly, the direction of the induced current in a circuit says it all and a minus sign is not needed.

I remember having this conversation about voltage here at PF a number of years ago, but I could not find the link.
Just don't use the word "voltage" in connection with Faraday's law, because it's a contradiction in itself. There is no potential when time-varying magnetic fields are present due to Faraday's law:
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\partial_t \vec{B},$$
and the minus-sign is of course crucial for the entire consistency of electromagnetic theory.
 
I'm working through something and want to make sure I understand the physics. In a system with three wave components at 120° phase separation, the total energy calculation depends on how we treat them: If coherent (add amplitudes first, then square): E = (A₁ + A₂ + A₃)² = 0 If independent (square each, then add): E = A₁² + A₂² + A₃² = 3/2 = constant In three-phase electrical systems, we treat the phases as independent — total power is sum of individual powers. In light interference...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
510
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K