Why Models Run Hot: A Discussion of the IPCC's Overestimation

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The discussion centers on the paper "Why Models Run Hot," which critiques the IPCC's climate models for allegedly overestimating positive feedback in the Earth's climate system. Participants express skepticism about the validity of the paper, with some arguing that its claims are based on flawed interpretations of historical data and model performance. Concerns are raised regarding the credibility of the authors, particularly one with a political background, while others emphasize the importance of focusing on the scientific content rather than the authors' credentials. The conversation also touches on the complexities of climate feedback mechanisms and the challenges in accurately measuring them, highlighting ongoing debates about the reliability of current climate models. Overall, the thread reflects a mix of skepticism and caution regarding the claims made in the paper.
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johnbbahm said:
Actually, I just look again, they averaged NH and SH month by month, if just one month March NH 2014 dropped to normal,
I used 80, it brings the average down to 66, and there are still two more abnormally high months.
If I substitute in an abnormally high 85 for each of those months the average for the year drops to 65.
So it is true that those 3 months in the NH threw off the average.
You are cherry-picking. The same applies to *any* year, including cooler ones. In any given year, there will always be months with extreme temperatures because weather is a bit random. Even with your cherry-picking, your claim that three months in 2014 were responsible for the majority of the warming during 2014 not true.

I don't think you understand the point of this thread. This thread is not about the models that are used to analyze recorded temperatures "run hot" (which is what you appear to be arguing). It is about whether the models that are used to predict temperatures several decades into the future "run hot."
 
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