Why should you need to know the electric current in a circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of electric current in circuits, exploring its role in safety, performance of electrical devices, and its relationship with voltage and resistance. Participants engage in conceptual clarifications and technical reasoning regarding the implications of current in various applications, including household wiring and electronic devices.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the importance of knowing current for safety reasons, noting that high voltage with low current can be safe, as seen in static shocks.
  • Others discuss how current relates to power in a circuit, suggesting that for a given voltage, current indicates how much power is available to the load and can affect heating in cables.
  • There are questions about whether a 12-amp fuse will blow when connected to a 1500 W load, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of current in this scenario.
  • Some participants argue that understanding current is crucial for circuit design, as voltage is often fixed, and current directly affects the efficiency and safety of electrical devices.
  • Concerns are raised regarding reactive loads, where current can be out of phase with voltage, complicating the relationship between volt-amps and watts.
  • Participants discuss the significance of current in relation to resistance and its role in heating wires, with some noting that resistance is a factor but that current is the primary measure of electricity flow.
  • There are inquiries about the relationship between current, resistance, and circuit efficiency, with participants seeking clarification on these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the importance of current, with some agreeing on its critical role in safety and efficiency, while others raise questions and uncertainties about its implications in specific scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader significance of current compared to other electrical factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the fixed nature of voltage in many applications and the complexities introduced by reactive loads. There are also unresolved questions about the mathematical relationships between current, voltage, and resistance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying electrical engineering, physics, or anyone involved in circuit design and safety considerations in electrical applications.

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Okay, I know what current is. It's Q/t. But why should I know what the current is? What makes current so important besides the fact that it's a factor in voltage, power, resistance, etc?

Sorry for the plethora of electricity topics I have created. :-p
 
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You've got a 12-amp fuse connecting a 120 V source to a 1500 W load. Will the fuse blow?
 
negitron said:
You've got a 12-amp fuse connecting a 120 V source to a 1500 W load. Will the fuse blow?

I'm guessing yes? I don't really know. :confused:
 
For a given voltage, and in most power applications voltage is fixed, current tells you how much power you have - both to the load and heating/destroying the cables
 
user111_23 said:
I'm guessing yes? I don't really know. :confused:

And that's why knowing the magnitude of the current is important.
 
negitron said:
You've got a 12-amp fuse connecting a 120 V source to a 1500 W load. Will the fuse blow?

Is this slow blow, or fast blow? Is it 1500W continuous, peak, or average?

This further illustrates that not only is current (and understanding of it) an important, fundamental concept, but also that it's just the beginning of the picture...

EDIT: Oh wait, you're posting in General Physics... (Which is probably why you gave the mathematical formalism of current) Still, it's an important concept to get.
 
user111_23 said:
Okay, I know what current is. It's Q/t. But why should I know what the current is? What makes current so important besides the fact that it's a factor in voltage, power, resistance, etc?

Sorry for the plethora of electricity topics I have created. :-p

In fact the current is the one that makes things done in a circuit. You may have experienced static shock in the winter, it's thousands of volts, but the current is tiny so you are safe.
 
pixel01 said:
In fact the current is the one that makes things done in a circuit. You may have experienced static shock in the winter, it's thousands of volts, but the current is tiny so you are safe.

Okay, knowing the current for safety reasons is there. But what does current have to do with the performance of electrical devices?

Knowing the voltage and resistance can help me calculate the current. What is the significance of this electric current provided that the circuit is already running?
 
mgb_phys said:
For a given voltage, and in most power applications voltage is fixed, current tells you how much power you have - both to the load and heating/destroying the cables

How does current tell me how much power (in watts) is there?

By the way, why should I care about power anyway?
 
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user111_23 said:
Okay, knowing the current for safety reasons is there. But what does current have to do with the performance of electrical devices?

Knowing the voltage and resistance can help me calculate the current. What is the significance of this electric current provided that the circuit is already running?

? Current, voltage and resistance are all related. Just look at how a transistor operates (or an op-amp). An understanding of current is the most important consideration when designing a circuit since, as has been already pointed out, the voltage is usually fixed by the power source. Remember, for example, the basis of the magnetic force is the CURRENT in a wire, not the voltage.
 
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maverick_starstrider said:
? Current, voltage and resistance are all related. Just look at how a transistor operates (or an op-amp). An understanding of current is the most important consideration when designing a circuit since, as has been already pointed out, the voltage is usually fixed by the power source. Remember, for example, the basis of the magnetic force is the CURRENT in a wire, not the voltage.

Why is it important to know that the voltage is fixed?

I'm asking a lot of questions, I know. :-p
 
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If you have a reactive load, like a refrigererator or vacuum cleaner or power tool with an electric motor, the current is out of phase with the voltage, so the volt-amps exceeds the watts, sometimes by a large factor.
 
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user111_23 said:
Why is it important to know that the voltage is fixed?

I'm asking a lot of questions, I know. :-p

... Because without knowing the voltage you can't determine the current?... Lol, what are you rockysheaphear 2.0 (or 0.5)
 
  • #14
maverick_starstrider said:
... Because without knowing the voltage you can't determine the current?... Lol, what are you rockysheaphear 2.0 (or 0.5)

All I'm asking is: What does current have that other factors in electricity don't, and why is this quality important?
 
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negitron basically nailed it in the first response. When it comes down to a physical circuit, there are devices in there with fixed electrical properties (i.e. resistance) and fixed thermal properties (i.e. at what temp it will melt, or worse, catch fire). Current is the direct external measure of electricity that flows through a given device that determines how hot it gets. So, current is the most direct measure of electricity that determines how efficient a circuit will be and how dangerous a circuit will be.

A fuse is one example. Perhaps a more profound example is the wiring in your house, supposing that there were no circuit breakers. Suppose you connect a bunch of power tools to a single circuit in your house. Power tools have an amperage rating, which basically tells you what? - the current that the power tool draws. Why is that important? If you have, say 100 amps worth of power tools connected to a single household circuit, then the wiring in the walls is going to get hot, real hot, and possibly start a fire. This is the case even though they all operate at 110 volts.
 
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turin said:
negitron basically nailed it in the first response. When it comes down to a physical circuit, there are devices in there with fixed electrical properties (i.e. resistance) and fixed thermal properties (i.e. at what temp it will melt, or worse, catch fire). Current is the direct external measure of electricity that flows through a given device that determines how hot it gets. So, current is the most direct measure of electricity that determines how efficient a circuit will be and how dangerous a circuit will be.

A fuse is one example. Perhaps a more profound example is the wiring in your house, supposing that there were no circuit breakers. Suppose you connect a bunch of power tools to a single circuit in your house. Power tools have an amperage rating, which basically tells you what? - the current that the power tool draws. Why is that important? If you have, say 100 amps worth of power tools connected to a single household circuit, then the wiring in the walls is going to get hot, real hot, and possibly start a fire. This is the case even though they all operate at 110 volts.

Thanks, you helped a lot!

I have a few more questions; 1; is resistance a factor in the heating of wires? 2; how does current determine how efficient a circuit is?
 
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I noticed that pixel and maverick also aluded to electronic devices, which is a different issue for which current is also important, so I just wanted bring that back into the conversation as well. Modern electronics use electricity in a sophisticated way. That is, electric and magnetic fields are important design considerations, as well as the motion/mobility of charge carries. For instance, the operation of a BJT (a still quite common type of transistor) is most straightforwardly modeled in terms of the current that flows into and out of the connections.

user111_23 said:
is resistance a factor in the heating of wires?
Yes, mathematically. The simple version of electric heating is RI2. But it is the current that brings the energy into the wires; the resistance is just a parameter. As has been pointed out, this can also be expressed as VI for resistive/ohmic devices, since V, I and R are related. However, if the device is highly reactive, then only part of that voltage goes into the heating, and RI2 is the more direct calculation, where R is the resistive part of the impedance of the device. (I hope that I am not confusing you more. Look up "power factor".)

user111_23 said:
how does current determine how efficient a circuit is?
Consider the power lines that run from the power station to your house. These lines transport a lot of electrical power; they need to supply your house with all of the needed electricity, as well as hundreds of other houses.

I will simplify and approximate the situation a bit for the sake of clarity:

In order for you to get, say 1 kW at 100 V, that would require 1 kW / 100 V = 10 A to be transmitted down the power line. If the electric company actually did that over, say 10 km, and suppose the resistance of the power line was 1 Ω/km, then the power loss in the line would be

( 1 Ω/km * 10 km ) * ( 10 A )2 = 1 kW.

That is, the 10 A distribution would result in a 50% efficiency. However, the electric company does not do this. Instead, they use a transformer to transfer the power at a much lower current, say 1 A for this direct residential application. Then, the power loss in the line would be

( 1 Ω/km * 10 km ) * ( 1 A )2 = 10 W.

That is, the 1 A distribution would result in a 99% efficiency. I have ignored other loss mechanisms, such as the loss in the transformers, but the basic idea is that lower current makes the transmission more efficient.
 

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