Why things do not stop immediately?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of why objects do not stop immediately when a retarding force is applied, particularly in the context of a moving ball on a non-frictional plane. Participants explore the implications of applying forces and the mathematics involved in deceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that to stop a moving ball immediately would require infinite force, as derived from the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration.
  • Another participant agrees with this reasoning, noting that changing velocity in zero time necessitates infinite negative acceleration.
  • A practical example is provided regarding athletes catching fast-moving balls, which illustrates how increasing deceleration time can reduce the required force.
  • Some participants suggest that stating Newton's First Law could suffice instead of delving into mathematical explanations.
  • There is a clarification regarding the initial conditions of the ball's motion, with one participant noting that stopping a ball with zero initial velocity could be instantaneous, leading to a correction in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical reasoning behind the impossibility of instantaneous stopping due to the requirement of infinite force. However, there is a lack of consensus on the necessity of mathematical explanations versus simpler conceptual statements.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the initial conditions of the ball's motion are not fully explored, particularly regarding the implications of starting from zero velocity versus a constant velocity.

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Why things do not stops immediately when a retarding force is applied on a moving ball.
  • I know this is a foolish question but I have tried to give the answer
  • my attempt : suppose I have applied force on a moving ball(its moving on a non frictional plane) and I want to stop it immediately means at a time = 0.
  • F = m.a(this is a retarding force applied on ball and 'a' is the constant deaccelaration due to force on a ball )
  • a = dv/dt , adt = dv , suppose initial velocity of a ball is 0.
  • ∫a dt = ∫dv , lower limit and uppar limit for velocity is 0 and v and for time 0 and t
  • Therefore v = at , to get immediate stop, t =0 , in that case a = ∞ , and F = ma , ∴F = ∞ , but it is impossible to apply infinite force. Therefore it is impossible to stop things immediately.
  • What's your answer or opinion
 
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Your reasoning looks correct. Average acceleration is change in velocity divided by time. So to change velocity by a nonzero amount in zero time would require infinite negative acceleration, which would require infinite force.

If you watch slow-motion footage of a cricketer or baseballer catching a fast ball, you'll see they let their hand(s) move backwards a little way after making contact. That increases the deceleration time, thereby reducing the force, thereby reducing the likelihood of the ball bouncing out of their hands (as well as lessening the potential damage to their hands).
 
Thanks andrewkirk for fielders example.
 
Why bother with the math? You should be able to just state Newton's First Law of motion.
 
russ_watters said:
Why bother with the math? You should be able to just state Newton's First Law of motion.
Yes you are right but maths makes everything more clearer
 
parshyaa said:
Yes you are right but maths makes everything more clearer
If you say so...let me know if your teacher agrees.
 
russ_watters said:
If you say so...let me know if your teacher agrees.
Hee hee , what's wrong in this answer , this question was mine and I will not showiy to my teacher. ^_^ ^_^
 
parshyaa said:
  • a = dv/dt , adt = dv , suppose initial velocity of a ball is 0.
So you want to "stop" a ball with zero initial velocity?
You can do this instantaneously. :smile:
 
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nasgot itpost: 5565525 said:
So you want to "stop" a ball with zero initial velocity?
You can do this instantaneously. :smile:
Hey nasu u got it , I was thinking of editing , ball was moving with constant velocity v and limit should be from v to 0 . And equation will be at = -v , a = -(v/t) it is negative because retarding force was applied ,
 

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