Why this Simple Watt Meter for a 220 Volt Circuit works?

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The discussion centers around a simple wattmeter circuit designed for a 220 Volt circuit, specifically focusing on the role of resistors in measuring power. Participants explore the functionality of the circuit, the choice of resistor values, and the implications of current and voltage measurements.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the 33k resistor produces a voltage of 1 mV per watt and questions the selection of resistor values.
  • Another participant explains that the two 470m resistors function as current shunts, providing a voltage drop proportional to the current flowing through the load.
  • A participant calculates that a load current of 1 watt results in a specific voltage drop across the shunt resistors and questions the accuracy of the voltage divider ratio used in the circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about the current reading of 524 mA, suggesting it implies a power consumption of approximately 115 W, which does not align with the expected 100 W.
  • One participant notes that the wattmeter assumes voltage and current are in phase, indicating that creating a true RMS wattmeter is complex and has been a topic of past exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the circuit's measurements and the assumptions made regarding the phase relationship between voltage and current. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the circuit's functionality and design choices.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the voltage divider calculations and the implications of the current readings. The discussion also highlights assumptions about the phase relationship in AC circuits, which may affect the accuracy of the wattmeter.

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Help with a wattmeter for 220V circuits that have only resistors.
Hello guys!

I'm just a begginer student. I found this circuit of a wattmeter that works only with resistors. Can someone explain to me how the 33k resistor give a voltage of 1 mV to 1 Watt? I did not understand why these resistor values has been chosen and why the it measures only in the 33k resistor.

Link: https://everycircuit.com/circuit/5290189996163072/simple-watt-meter-for-220-volt-circuit

I made a version (only changing one resistor value) at Fasltad: http://tinyurl.com/y7uqu8n4 (the url was too big).

Can someone help me? Thank you!
 

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The two 470m resistors are 0.47 ohm current shunts in parallel, so they drop a voltage proportional to the current flowing in the light globe load. Vshunt = I * 0.235

That small AC voltage is attenuated by the resistive divider, 33K and 7k5 to be measured.
The supply voltage is reasonably fixed so the small AC voltage across the 33k is proportional to the load power.
 
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1 watt will have a load current of 1 / 220 = 4.545 milliamp.
Since then V * I = 220 V * 4.545 mA = 1 watt. (edited units on this line).
The two 470m current shunts make 0.235 ohm.
0.235 ohm * 4.545 mA = 1.068 mV per watt.
1.068 * 33k/(33k+7k5) = 0.870 mV per watt. Which is wrong.

If we assume the AC voltmeter has a very high impedance.
The divider needs a ratio of 1 / 1.068 = 0.936
What value should be used in place of 7k5 ?
33k / ( 33k + x ) = 0.936
x = ( 33k / 0.936 ) - 33k = 2.25k, not 7k5
 
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Odd that the current is shown as 524 mA, which from a 220 V supply sounds like around 115 W not 100.

And now Baluncore has done the rest
 
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And then again such a "wattmeter" assumes that the voltage and current are in phase. Creating a true RMS wattmeter is tricky (but possible, a colleague and I dreamed up such a circuit 15 years ago).
 

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