Work Energy Theorem with Kinetic Friction and External Work

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final speed of a crate being pulled up an incline while considering kinetic friction and external work. The initial speed is 1.5 m/s, and a pulling force of 100 N is applied at a 20° angle, with a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.4. Participants clarify the correct application of the work-energy theorem, emphasizing that the work done by friction should be negative since it opposes the crate's movement. After resolving the sign issues and correctly applying the equations, the calculated final speed aligns with the expected answer of 5.65 m/s. Understanding the direction of forces and their impact on energy calculations is crucial for solving such problems accurately.
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Homework Statement



A crate of mass 10.0 kg is pulled up a rough incline with an initial speed of 1.5 m/s. The pulling force is 100 N parallel to the incline which makes an angle of 20.0° with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction is .4 and the cart is pulled 5.00 m.

e) What is the speed of the crate after being pulled 5.00m?

Homework Equations


Delta Energy Mechanical = -Force_friction(d) + Work_external

K_f + U_f = K_i + U_i - Force_friction(d) + Work_external

For constant Force and parallel force and displacement: W = F(d)

The Attempt at a Solution



K_f + U_f = K_i + U_i - Force_friction(d) + Work_external

.5mvf2 + mgh = .5mvi2 + 0 - Force_friction(d) + Work_external

h = 5sin(20°)
Force_friction = -μ Fn
= -μ 98cos(20°)
Work External = F(d) = 100N * 5m = 500J

.5mvf2 + mgh = .5mvi2 +μ 98cos(20°)(5) + 500

vf2 = (.5mvi2 +μ 98cos(20°)(5) + 500 - mgh) / (.5m)

v = 10.27 m/s

The answer is given as 5.65 m/s.
Any help is appreciated!
 
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kc0ldeah said:
vf2 = (.5mvi2 +μ 98sin(20°)(5) + 500 - mgh) / (.5m)
Is that a typo, or did you change cosine into sine?
 
Sorry that was a typo I will fix it.
 
kc0ldeah said:
.5mvf2 + mgh = .5mvi2 +μ 98cos(20°)(5) + 500
Check the sign of the work done by friction.
 
Doc Al said:
Check the sign of the work done by friction.

K_f + U_f = K_i + U_i - Force_friction(d) + Work_external

If you plug -μ98cos(20°) into that it should be +μ98cos(20°) right?
It is -μ98cos(20°) to begin with because Force_friction acts in the opposite direction of the crate's movement.

EDIT: But fixing it the way you said gives me 5.65 which is the answer. Why is that term supposed to be negative?
 
kc0ldeah said:
K_f + U_f = K_i + U_i - Force_friction(d) + Work_external

If you plug -μ98cos(20°) into that it should be +μ98cos(20°) right?
It is -μ98cos(20°) to begin with because Force_friction acts in the opposite direction of the crate's movement.

EDIT: But fixing it the way you said gives me 5.65 which is the answer. Why is that term supposed to be negative?
It depends on how you define the terms. That friction term represents the work done by friction, which is negative (since friction opposes the displacement). When you wrote "-Force_friction(d)", I assume you meant for Force_friction to be the magnitude of that force.

More generally: Work done by friction (or any force) = Force*distance = (-μmgcosθ)(d)

Final Energy = Initial Energy + Work done by friction + Work done by applied force
 
Final Energy = Initial Energy + Work done by friction + Work done by applied force

Thank you this is what I really needed to see.

I guess the equation my teacher gave me already factored in the fact that friction is an opposing force. That has really been messing me up.
 
kc0ldeah said:
I guess the equation my teacher gave me already factored in the fact that friction is an opposing force.
Exactly.
 
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