Work on charge from outside to inside of sphere

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The discussion revolves around deriving equations related to the electric field of a solid non-conducting sphere and calculating the work required to bring a point charge from infinity to a specific point inside the sphere. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics and electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of electric field equations for different regions relative to the sphere's radius. There are attempts to integrate expressions for work done while moving a charge, with some questioning the correctness of the initial equations provided.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on correcting the equations for the electric field, suggesting that variables may have been switched. There is an ongoing exploration of the integration process and the implications of the work done on the system versus by the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with dimensional consistency in the expressions being combined, as well as the need to clarify the paths of integration for the work calculation. There is also a mention of the negative sign in the work equation, indicating a distinction between the work done by the force and the work done on the system.

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Homework Statement


A solid non-conducting sphere of radius R = 1.12m.
The sphere posses a total charge Qtot spread uniformally throughout its volume.

a) derive equations for electric field for
1) 0<r<R
2) r>R
result in terms of r R and Q

b) Derive an equation that gives the work needed for you to bring a point charge "q" from infinitely far away to inside the sphere at r = R/2

Answer is W = 11/8 (kQ/R) q

Homework Equations



for 0<r<R
E1 = KQR/r^3

for r>R
E2 = KQ/R^2

The Attempt at a Solution



q∫KQR/r^3 + q∫KQ/R^2
 
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origamipro said:

Homework Statement


A solid non-conducting sphere of radius R = 1.12m.
The sphere posses a total charge Qtot spread uniformally throughout its volume.

a) derive equations for electric field for
1) 0<r<R
2) r>R
result in terms of r R and Q

b) Derive an equation that gives the work needed for you to bring a point charge "q" from infinitely far away to inside the sphere at r = R/2

Answer is W = 11/8 (kQ/R) q

Homework Equations



for 0<r<R
E1 = KQR/r^3
Something doesn't look right with the above equation for E1. If you show your work we might be able to help figure out what went wrong. (It looks to me as though you have a couple of variables switched around.)

for r>R
E2 = KQ/R^2
Okay, E2 looks like the same problem. Are you accidentally swapping the r and R?

The Attempt at a Solution



q∫KQR/r^3 + q∫KQ/R^2

Of course you'll need to make corrections to the terms under the integrals, since they're not quite right. Also, they are path integrals, so you'll need to define the paths. (Start at infinity and go to R, then go from R to R/2).

Also, keep in mind that
W = \int_P \vec F \cdot \vec{dl}
is the work done by the sytem, --the work done by the force -- meaning the work is positive if the force and the direction of the path is in the same direction. On the other hand, the problem statement here asks you to determine the work done on the system, by moving the charge: the work done on the force. Because of that, there is a negative sign involved,
W = -\int_P \vec F \cdot \vec{dl}
 
After integration

Kq/R + KQ/R^3 (.4704)

KQ/R ( 1 + (1/R^2) (.4704))

KQ/R (11/8) q = answer
 
origamipro said:
After integration

Kq/R + KQ/R^3 (.4704)

KQ/R ( 1 + (1/R^2) (.4704))
Sorry, but I don't quite follow what you're doing there.

You're adding one thing that has R in the denominator to another thing that has R3 in the denominator. The terms don't even have the same dimensions. I'm not sure where the .4704 comes from.

KQ/R (11/8) q = answer
That is the correct answer, yes.
 

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