Working out the current though bulbs in a circuit by applying Kirchoff's laws

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The discussion focuses on determining the brightness of bulbs in a circuit using Kirchhoff's laws, specifically comparing them to a reference bulb in a simple circuit. The user establishes that the brightness is dependent on current, which can be calculated using the formula I=V/R. They encounter difficulties while applying Kirchhoff's voltage law to a more complex circuit with bulbs labeled C and D, leading to equations that initially suggest both bulbs have the same brightness as the reference bulb. However, upon further analysis, it is concluded that bulb D has no current and is therefore off, while bulb C maintains the same brightness as the original bulb. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying Kirchhoff's laws to analyze circuit behavior.
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Homework Statement


I am trying to determine the birghtness of the lettered bulbs relative to the brightness of the bulb in the first and simplest circuit by giving a mathematical explanation using Kirchoff's laws. All cells and bulbs are identical.
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Homework Equations


Kirchoff's current and voltage laws


The Attempt at a Solution


I define that the bulb in the first circuit will have power P=I^2*R and because each bulb is identical, the resistance of all the bulbs in every circuit will be the same. Therefore the brightness of the bulb only depends on the current so if I work out the current for the lettered bulbs and compare that to the bulb in the first circuit with current (I=V/R) then I can say if the lettered bulbs are brighter or dimmer then the original bulb.

For the circuit with bulbs lettered d and c I get stuck after splitting the circuit vertically into two closed circuits:
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Applying Kirchoff's voltage law I get:
V - (R*I1)) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2)

I need to find I1 and I2 in terms of I but I am unsure where to go from this.
 
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Rct33 said:
Applying Kirchoff's voltage law I get:
V - (R*I1)) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2)

I need to find I1 and I2 in terms of I but I am unsure where to go from this.
There's an obvious way to simplify that equation. Then divide through by R so that you get I in there. And you have another equation for the second circuit.
 
Multiply both equations out. Then multiply one of them by 2 and add the equations together. Don't be afraid to try things out - you just may find that you can solve them!
 
Okay I will try
 
Rct33 said:
Okay I will try

V - (R*I1) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2) = 0

Therefore

I - 2*I1 + I2 = 0

I - 2*I2 + I1 = 0

I solved these to get
I1 = I

therefore I2 = I

[STRIKE]Therefore D and C have the same brightness as the original bulb. Will now try for the third circuit.[/STRIKE]

EDIT: Actually noticed that I1 and I2 have the same magnitude but opposite direction so the total current through bulb D is 0 so it is off. Bulb C still has the same brightness though.
 
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