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Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
I would like to hear more about this just out of interest.
Ditto on that for me. So far what you're saying is making sense to me.
Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
I would like to hear more about this just out of interest.
That is true, but you must understand that there are sources of energy so vast that anything we could take out of it would be a drop in the bucket (so to speak). As a result, it makes sense to consider them essentially limitless. Energy from the sun is one such source. Fusion power from seawater (if its ever made to work) would be another. And ZPE, were it not a contradiction in terms to harness it, would be another.Originally posted by jagulars
Free energy is con game terminology just like the slick mind game of an energy producing device that does not rely on natural resources.
You must understand that energy, theorized or not, that is resident in a vacuum is a natural resource just as much as coal and crude oil and wood is.
Originally posted by jagulars
Free energy is con game terminology just like the slick mind game of an energy producing device that does not rely on natural resources.
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I think you saw my post and just saw what you wanted to see. If I'm not mistaken I never mentioned anywhere a theory for harnessing free energy from the zero point field. There is a very large split between those interested in the ZPF and those people promoting ZPE. Remember that difference: its only one letter but it means the world in terms of the emphasis and seriousness of the people interested in it.
The zero point field is a fact. Its not pseudoscience. Do you remember the first thing you thought about when you first leaned about electrons orbiting the nucleus (I grew up when they still taught the Bohr model, you may remember slightly different stuff), in the fifth grade or so. My first thought was "damn, that can't be. What keeps it moving. Why doesn't it run out of energy and fall in or just escape the nucleus." I'm sure you had similar thoughts or else you have an uninquisitive mind. Basically we were taught that that's just the way it is. Well, we now know that there is a constant interchange of energy between the electron and the ZPF that maintains a continuous balance between the push to escape and the pull inward. At zero degrees the electron doesn't fall in because the ZPF maintains a base energy level in the electron.
There are many other examples in physics that have a much better explanation when a ZPF acts as an energy intermediary. That is not to say anybody can siphon off that energy. It is too random both in time and in space for there to be any homogeneous effect that is easily used. It is much more likely in my opinion that at some time, perhaps in the far future, there will be a way to shield that energy exchange from happening. Perhaps it will be caused by a local distortion in the ZPF.
Many people believe that inertia itself is a result of a body interacting with the ZPF. That is, a body, as it accelerates must plough through the ZPF, and in so doing the ZPF imparts energy into the body. In this way it would be seen that everytime we accelerate we are using the energy of the ZPF. But it seems just too simple for most people to accept - even the free energy guys. We do work when we accelerate and that work is caused by the resistance of the ZPF. And in turn we have a higher energy level after acceleration and that energy has been taken from the ZPF. When we deaccelerate or accelerate in the other direction we then exchange energy back to the ZPF. It all balances out in the end.
the mid 1920's Townsend Brown [2] discovered that electric charge and gravitational mass are coupled. He found that when he charged a capacitor to a high voltage, it had a tendency to move toward its positive pole. This became known as the Biefeld-Brown effect.
Apparently for this effect to work on large objects (ie, space craft) the amount of ions in space are too small and the amount of propulsion has yet to be produced in the experiments done to date.
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