What Is the Tensor Product of Vector Spaces?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the definition and understanding of the tensor product of two vector spaces, V and W, specifically the construction of the tensor product V⊗W. Participants explore the initial steps involving the Cartesian product V×W, the concept of the free vector space F(V×W), and the implications of linear combinations within this framework.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how to define linear combinations in F(V×W) without a clear definition of addition for elements of V×W.
  • One participant suggests interpreting linear combinations as strings of text, raising questions about the linear independence of elements e_{v×w} for distinct v×w.
  • Another participant proposes a bilinear functional h from V×W to a field F, asserting that the tensor product V⊗W is defined as the unique space where a linear functional h_{*} exists such that h_{*}(x⊗y) = h(x,y).
  • Concerns are raised regarding the addition rule for the Cartesian product, with one participant questioning its validity in the context of tensor products compared to direct sums.
  • Clarifications are made about the equivalence classes of linear combinations in F(V×W) and the implications of redundancy in these combinations.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding of the notation x⊗y, suggesting it should refer to equivalence classes rather than direct members of the tensor product space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definition and construction of the tensor product. There is no consensus on the clarity of the definitions or the correctness of the proposed rules for addition and linear combinations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the definitions provided, such as the need for clarity on the addition operation in V×W and the implications of equivalence relations in F(V×W). The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions that remain unresolved.

  • #31
You have a real rigorous side to you Fredrik. I like that, but if I may, I will outline all that we have done:

(1) Create a definition for an object which may or may not exist
(2) Proved abstractly that if it does exist, then it is unique up to isomorphism
(3) As you pointed out, that if it does exist, then it tells us something about all bilinear maps from VxW to any vector space Z

We began this discussion with the construction of the tensor product and I suggested we back up and give the abstract definition first. We have given the abstract definition so that now if we look at the construction we will have proved existence and we will automatically have the conclusions of 2 and 3. This should be enough to convince you that the definition will work if we prove existence.
 
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  • #32
Fredrik said:
I would say that that's what I'm doing already. I'm trying to use the definition of "tensor product" that Eastside posted to prove that it's unique up to isomorphisms, but that's probably not what you meant.
The existence of the map you seek is his definition of the tensor product... (at least, the one he gave in post #2)
 
  • #33
First a recap.

The tensor product of vector spaces V and W is a vector space V \otimes W together with a bilinear mapping \otimes : V \times W \rightarrow V \otimes W, such that if X is a vector space and \tau is a bilinear mapping from V \times W into X, then there exists a unique linear mapping f from V \otimes W into X such that \tau = f \circ \otimes.

Note that, as eastside00_99 has said, the existence of such a unique f is part of the definition of tensor product.

Let V \otimes W together with a bilinear mapping \otimes : V \times W \rightarrow V \otimes W be a tensor product.

Let V \square W together with a bilinear mapping \square : V \times W \rightarrow V \square W also be a tensor product.

Now, to prove uniqueness, use this definition of tensor product four times.

First time: take the tensor product to be V \otimes W, X to be V \square W with \tau = \square. The definition says that there is unique linear mapping f from V \otimes W into V \square W such that \square = f \circ \otimes.

Second time: take the tensor product to be V \square W, X to be V \otimes W with \tau = \otimes. The definition says that there is unique linear mapping g from V \square W into V \otimes W such that \otimes = g \circ \square.

Combining these gives \otimes = g \circ f \circ \otimes and \square = f \circ g \circ \square.

Third time: take the tensor product to be V \otimes W, X to be V \otimes W with \tau = \otimes. The definition says that there is unique linear mapping h from V \otimes W into V \otimes W such that \otimes = h \circ \otimes. h = I_{V \otimes W} (the identity on V \otimes W) cleary works. But, since (as above), \otimes = g \circ f \circ \otimes, h = g \circ f also works. Because, by definition, h is unique, I_{V \otimes W} = g \circ f.

Fourth time: take the tensor product to be V \square W, X to be V \square W with \tau = \square. Use the definition to show I_{V \square W} = f \circ g.

Therefore, f : V \otimes W \rightarrow V \square W and g : V \square W \rightarrow V \otimes W are both isomorphisms, and g = f^{-1}.
 
  • #34
Thank you George. That cleared up a lot. Now I understand everything except a detail in the construction, but I'll give that some more thought later today.

Actually all that anyone would have needed to say to get me past my main concern is what you said here:
George Jones said:
take [...] X to be V \square W
I had a feeling I was overlooking something very simple, but for some reason I couldn't see that all I needed to do was to let the "alternative" tensor product be the arbitrary bilinear function mentioned in the definition of the tensor product.

I also appreciate that your post explained why we assume that the functions you called \tau (the ones eastside called f_*) are unique. (Because it allows us to identify g\circ f and f\circ g with the appropriate identity maps).

I also realized that no bilinear map can be injective, since we want things like B(ax,y)=B(x,ay) to hold.
 

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