Magnetic Field in Rotating Cylinder w/ Non-Const. Angular Vel.

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The discussion centers on determining the magnetic field inside a rotating hollow cylinder with a constant surface charge and a time-varying angular velocity. The manual provides the solution B = μαtRσ, but the participants seek clarification on why the induced circular electric field remains constant over time. The key point raised is the relationship between the changing magnetic field and the electric field, specifically questioning the assumption that the electric field's time derivative is zero. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding Gauss's law and Faraday's law in this context, particularly how they relate to the stability of the electric field in a rotating system. The conclusion drawn is that the problem's parameters imply a stationary current, leading to a constant electric field.
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Homework Statement



A hollow cylinder of length L and radius R, is madeout of a non-conducting material, is charged with a constant surface charge σ, and is rotating, along its axis of symmetry, with an angular velocity w(t) = αt.

Q:What is the magnetic field inside the cylinder?


Homework Equations



Maxwell correction for Ampere law.

The Attempt at a Solution




The answer in the manual is B = μαtRσ

Where μ is ofcurse μ zero. [ the magnetic constant ].

The manual's solution makes perfect sense if I knew that the circular electric field which is induced by the fact that the magnetic field is changing in time is constant.

because then i could say that that the displacement current density is zero.

Q: How can derive that the circular electric field, induced by the changing -in-time magnetic field, is not changing with time?


Thanks in advance
 
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What is I?
its the relation betwwen the charge (you know it from sigma) and the period (you know it from w)
The charge inside the cylinder its Sigma*A(r) (and not all A!)
What is the integral of B*ds ?
its the product of B and the scale circuits that thir radius its r (r<R)

You need to replace those sizes into Amper equation.. and get B(r)
 


Thanks for the reply.

But it did not address my question,

I would like to know why in this problem there is a certainty that the Electric field is not changing with time ?

id est, look at Ampere's Law after Maxwell correction:

\nabla \times \mathbf{B} = \mu_0\mathbf{J} + \mu_0 \varepsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}} {\partial t}\

and of course, the integral form of this equation:

\oint_{\partial S} \mathbf{B} \cdot \mathrm{d}\mathbf{l} = \mu_0 I_S + \mu_0 \varepsilon_0 \frac {\partial \Phi_{E,S}}{\partial t}

I could, with rather ease, derive the manual's solution if I knew that \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}} {\partial t} \ is zero.

Any notions about why E is constant in time?

Thanks in advance
 


The answer is simple. (I will call sigma -> rho)
if dE/dt (partial derivative) = 0

==> (Gauss law)

d\rho/dt = 0

==> (math)

\rho is constant in time. (stationary current)

And you can see in the problem data, that they didn't say anything about the function \rho .
 


Again, thanks for the reply.

The \nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} = \frac {\rho} {\varepsilon_0} formula applies only to E filed that are not circular. [ I mean in order to derive the total electric field inside the cylinder you will have to find the E in the theta direction as well]

According to Faraday's Law:
\nabla \times \mathbf{E} = -\frac{\partial \mathbf{B}} {\partial t}

Which means that a changing in time magnetic field induces a circular E field.

How can I infer that the circular E field is not changing by time? [ prior to calculating the magnetic field - because then i just use faraday law to see that]
 
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