Low Mach Numbers: Incompressible flow or fluid

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The discussion revolves around the concept of incompressibility in fluids at low Mach numbers, exploring whether this implies that the flow is incompressible or that the fluid itself maintains constant density. Participants examine the implications of incompressibility in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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  • Some participants question whether low Mach numbers imply that the flow is incompressible (zero material derivative) or that the fluid itself is incompressible (constant density).
  • One participant suggests that if a material is truly incompressible, the velocity of sound would be infinite, raising questions about the assumptions behind the original statement.
  • Another participant argues that while no fluid is truly incompressible, for practical purposes, fluids like water can be treated as incompressible under certain conditions, particularly when considering sound speed.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the Lagrangian and Eulerian frames of reference, discussing how compressibility can be defined and related to pressure changes and density variations in fluid flows.
  • It is proposed that a flow is considered incompressible when the relative density change is much less than one, with a relationship established between Mach number and density change.
  • One participant concludes that for Mach numbers less than 0.3, the density change can be effectively ignored, suggesting that the fluid behaves incompressibly in such cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of low Mach numbers for fluid incompressibility, with no consensus reached on whether it refers to flow characteristics or fluid properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of incompressibility.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of compressibility and the assumptions made regarding fluid behavior under varying conditions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating Mach number to density changes without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Hi

When we talk about a fluid moving at low Mach numbers, it is said to be incompressible. But does this mean that the flow is incompressible (i.e., material derivate is zero) or does it imply that the fluid itself is incompressible (constant density)?

If anybody has a reference (book, article, ...) explaining this matter, I would be happy to see it.
 
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I don't understand this. If a material is incompressible then the velocity of sound will be infinite?
Is there some kind of shorthand involved in the original statement?
Or does it just mean that we assume the density and modulus can be considered to be constant over the range of amplitudes in the vibration cycle?
 
It's the later, which implies the former. (Converse is not necessarily true.) Which also gives you zero divergence of the flow.
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I don't understand this. If a material is incompressible then the velocity of sound will be infinite?
Yes, but you should be able to make fluid less compressible while keeping speed of sound constant. It doesn't really make sense to have compressibility be exactly zero, but I think all other properties work without contradiction in the limit.
 
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There are no truly incompressible fluids. Even water, which is often treated as incompressible, can undergo compression; it just takes an extraordinarily large pressure to do it and for all practical purposes (other than sound speed) it is incompressible.

That said, the answer to the original question would typically be that the flow is incompressible, which, again, for all practical purposes (other than sound speed) means the fluid is incompressible in that situation as well.

The explanation for why the Mach number actually implies this is fairly simple if a little long-winded. Are you familiar with the Lagrangian and Eulerian frames of reference for fluid flows? The Lagrangian frame of reference is where the frame follows along with a moving fluid element. The Eulerian frame is stationary and sees fluid elements pass by. In the Lagrangian frame, compression can be defined as the change in volume of a fluid element versus a base state, and this quantity can be related back to pressure change using the bulk modulus, E:
\Delta p = -E\dfrac{\Delta \mathcal{V}}{\mathcal{V}_0}.
If this was a solid, E is the equivalent of Young's modulus. In a fluid it is the negative reciprocal of the thermodynamic compressibility.

If you look from the Eulerian frame, the total volume doesn't change and instead you can view compressibility based on the change in density in the region in question and you can relate that to the volume using conservation of mass from some base state (\rho_0,\mathcal{V}_0) as
(\mathcal{V}_0 + \Delta\mathcal{V})(\rho_0 + \Delta \rho) = \mathcal{V}_0\rho_0.
If you expand this expression and take the limit as the \Delta terms go to zero, you get
\dfrac{\Delta\mathcal{V}}{\mathcal{V}_0} = -\dfrac{\Delta\rho}{\rho_0}.
Combining this with our bulk modulus definition results in
\dfrac{\Delta\rho}{\rho_0} = \dfrac{\Delta p}{E}.

Generally speaking, a flow is incompressible when \Delta\rho/\rho_0 \ll 1. From the integrated Euler equation \int dp/\rho + V^2/2 = \text{const.} you can show that the change in pressure is always bounded by the dynamic pressure \rho V^2/2, so we can drop that into our previous equation
\dfrac{\Delta\rho}{\rho_0} \approx \dfrac{\rho V^2}{2E}.
One of the definitions for the speed of sound in a continuum is a^2 = E/\rho, so
\dfrac{\Delta\rho}{\rho_0} \approx \dfrac{V^2}{2a^2} = \dfrac{1}{2}M^2.
In reality, if you are familiar with order, it is probably more accurate to say
\dfrac{\Delta\rho}{\rho_0} = O\left(\dfrac{1}{2}M^2\right).
So what that says is that the relative density change in the flow is directly related to the Mach number of that flow. If M^2 \ll 1, then \Delta\rho/\rho_0 \ll 1. Generally speaking, this usually means that M^2 has to be an order of magnitude less than 1 or smaller, or M^2 < 0.1, or M < 0.316. We usually just simplify that to M<0.3.

In other words, if the Mach number is less than 0.3, the change in density in a given flow is so minute that it can effectively be ignored for most practical purposes. That also implies that for that given situation, the fluid itself is also behaving in an incompressible manner.
 
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