How Do You Model Instantaneous Velocity in a Fluid with Square Root Drag?

  • Thread starter Thread starter S[e^x]=f(u)^n
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Drag Velocity
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the instantaneous velocity of an object moving through a fluid that exerts a drag force proportional to the square root of the velocity. The original poster presents an equation derived from the forces acting on the object, but expresses confusion regarding the validity of their solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the drag force and the object's velocity, questioning the assumptions about mass and other forces acting on the object. Some participants suggest that the absence of mass complicates the derivation of the velocity equation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants offering insights into the implications of the drag force and the initial conditions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to incorporate constants into the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to derive the instantaneous velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the object is moving horizontally and is not subject to gravitational forces, which may affect the dynamics of the situation. The lack of explicit information about mass adds to the complexity of the problem.

S[e^x]=f(u)^n
Messages
23
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


An object dragged through an unknown fluid experiences a force opposite to that of its initial velocity (Vi) that is equal to -k(v^1/2). find the equation that models its instantaneous velocity

Fn = Force Net
Ff = Frictional force
Vi = Initial Velocity
V = instantaneous velocity

Homework Equations


Fn=ma
Ff=-k(v^1/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



Fn=Ff
ma=-k(v^1/2)
dv/dt=(-k/m)(v^1/2)
S[dv/(v^1/2)]=(-k/m)S[dt]
2(v^1/2)=-kt/m
v=(-kt/2m)^2 + Vi

which can't be right because that would mean velocity increased as time moves positively...

i'm lost. help lol
v=
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Does the object have mass m? Is another force being applied to the object?

If the force is subject only to drag, then it will deceleration in proportion to kv1/2 according to the problem as stated.

If the mass falls under gravity then the mass will decelerate or even accelerate to a constant velocity where the drag force = the force of gravity.

a = dv(t)/dt = F(t)/m, where F(t) = applied force - drag force,

and the initial condition is v(t=0) = vi/.
 
there is no mass stated and the object is traveling horizontally and not subject to gravity.

i guess I'm having trouble deriving a velocity equation more than i am having trouble understanding the situation. I'm not even sure if the way i tried it first is the right way.

all i know for sure is that the only force acting on the point is -kv^(1/2)

could u perhaps help me find an equation for its instantaneous velocity with respect to time?
 
S[e^x]=f(u)^n;1461783 said:

Homework Statement


An object dragged through an unknown fluid experiences a force opposite to that of its initial velocity (Vi) that is equal to -k(v^1/2). find the equation that models its instantaneous velocity

Fn = Force Net
Ff = Frictional force
Vi = Initial Velocity
V = instantaneous velocity

Homework Equations


Fn=ma
Ff=-k(v^1/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



Fn=Ff
ma=-k(v^1/2)
dv/dt=(-k/m)(v^1/2)
S[dv/(v^1/2)]=(-k/m)S[dt]
2(v^1/2)=-kt/m

you need to add a constant here:

2(v^1/2)=-kt/m + C

then

v^1/2=-kt/2m + D


v=(-kt/2m)^2 + 2(-kt/2m)D + D^2

So know solve for D using initial conditions.
 

Similar threads

Replies
16
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
57
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K