Angular velocity and energy lost due to friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a merry-go-round with a diameter of 3.0 m and a rotational inertia of 120 kgm², initially spinning at 0.50 revolutions per second. When four 25 kg children sit on the edge, the conservation of angular momentum is applied to find the new angular speed, calculated to be approximately 0.17 rad/s. The energy lost due to friction is determined using the conservation of rotational mechanical energy, resulting in a loss of about 10 kgm²rev/s, which converts to -20π kgm²rad/s. A clarification is made regarding the distinction between frequency and angular velocity, emphasizing the need to convert frequency to angular velocity for accurate calculations. The discussion highlights the application of fundamental physics principles to solve real-world problems.
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Homework Statement



the problem is: A 3.0 m diameter merry go round with rotational inertia 120kgm^2 is spinning freely at 0.50 rev/s. Four 25kg children sit suddenly on the edge of the merry go round. a) Find th new angular speed, and b) detrmine the total energy lost to friction between the children and merry go round.

Homework Equations


conservation of angular momentum = L_initial = L_final
angular momentum = Iomega^2
conservation of rotational mechanical energy = KE_final - KE_initial = 0 + W_nonconservative


The Attempt at a Solution



So, r = 1.5m, I_wheel = 120 kgm^2, omega_wheel = 0.5 rev/s, and since when the children jump onto the wheel, we can treat them as a particle of the whole system of the wheel and children, so we take the distance of the children from the center of the wheel, so I_kids=25*4*1.5^2, I_kids = 225kgm^2, and since there is no external torque, angular momentum is conserved, so we use L_initial = L_final, so L_initial = I_wheel*omega_wheel, and L_final = (I_kids+I_wheel)*omega_final, so L_final = (225+120)*omega_final = 120*0.5 = 60kgm^2rad/s, so 345omega_final = 60, omega_final = 60/345 = 0.17 rad/s, and so now we can use the conservation of rotational energy, W_net = W_conservative + W_nonconservative = KE_final - KE_initial = 0 + W_nonconservative, so 345*(0.17)^2/2 - 120*(.5)^2/2 = W_nc = 5 - 15 = -10 kgm^2rev/s, so 10 kgm^2rev/s of energy is lost, if we convert it to radians we get -10kgm^2rev/s*2Pirad/1rev = -20_Pi_kgm^2rad/s
 
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mossman said:
So, r = 1.5m, I_wheel = 120 kgm^2, omega_wheel = 0.5 rev/s, and since when the children jump onto the wheel, we can treat them as a particle of the whole system of the wheel and children, so we take the distance of the children from the center of the wheel, so I_kids=25*4*1.5^2, I_kids = 225kgm^2, and since there is no external torque, angular momentum is conserved, so we use L_initial = L_final, so L_initial = I_wheel*omega_wheel, and L_final = (I_kids+I_wheel)*omega_final, so L_final = (225+120)*omega_final = 120*0.5 = 60kgm^2rad/s

mossman said:
A 3.0 m diameter merry go round with rotational inertia 120kgm^2 is spinning freely at 0.50 rev/s.

0.5 rev/s (Hz) is the frequency, not the angular velocity. \omega=2\pi f.
 
otherwise everything else is correct?
 
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