Calculate Energy Needed to Move 1000lb Vehicle at 55mph for 1hr

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to move a 1000lb vehicle at a speed of 55mph for one hour. Participants explore the implications of kinetic energy and the role of time in energy calculations, while considering various factors such as drag and friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the kinetic energy formula, K = 1/2 * m * v^2, to calculate energy but questions how time factors into this calculation.
  • Another participant asserts that if there is no drag or friction, maintaining a constant speed of 55 mph requires no additional energy.
  • A different participant elaborates on the work-energy theorem and introduces the concept of drag, providing a detailed equation for calculating work done against drag forces, suggesting that energy requirements increase with speed.
  • Some participants agree that without non-conservative forces, no energy is needed to maintain speed, while others caution that real-world scenarios may require considering additional factors like drag.
  • One participant attempts to calculate the energy using kinetic energy principles and provides a numerical approximation, but acknowledges the simplifications made in their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the necessity of energy input to maintain speed, with some asserting that no energy is needed under ideal conditions, while others emphasize the importance of considering drag and other forces in practical scenarios.

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Limitations include assumptions about the absence of drag and friction, as well as the simplifications made in the calculations. The discussion does not resolve the complexities introduced by real-world conditions affecting energy requirements.

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I'd like to calculate the energy required to move a 1000lb vehicle at 55mph for 1hr. I'm looking for a simple calculation, nothing with drag, friction or acceleration is required

I expect this to be pretty simple, 1/2*m*v^2, to solve for the Kinetic Energy of the vehicle. However, how does 'time' come into play, to determine the energy needed over time?

Thanks
 
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If there is no drag or friction, once your car is going 55 mph it will need no energy to keep going at that speed.
 
lex_ee said:
I'd like to calculate the energy required to move a 1000lb vehicle at 55mph for 1hr. I'm looking for a simple calculation, nothing with drag, friction or acceleration is required

I expect this to be pretty simple, 1/2*m*v^2, to solve for the Kinetic Energy of the vehicle. However, how does 'time' come into play, to determine the energy needed over time?

Thanks
If there are no non-conservative forces acting on the car, then maintaining a constant velocity won't take any energy.
Taking drag into account is relatively simple actually.
Use the work-energy theorem W=\Delta E and the definition of work
W=\int_a^b \vec F \cdot \vec{dx}.
The drag equation tells us that F_d=-\frac{1}{2}\rho A C_d v^2. You can look this up on wikipedia for the details.
Now you told us that the velocity needed to be a constant we can pull it out of the work integral and get (evaluating between x=0 and x=x),
W=\frac{1}{2}\rho A C_d v^2 x
where x is the total distance traveled.
Now v=\frac{dx}{dt} and with v constant, x=vt and so we see the total work done is proportional to v^3,
W=\frac{1}{2}\rho A C_d v^3 t.
For a reasonable car and under normal atmospheric conditions,
C_dA\approx 7 m^2,
\rho\approx 1.2 kg/m^3.
So the work done after an amount of time t is numerically approximately (for normal cars, see the ACd product for cars on wikipedia),
W\approx 5v^3t.
For a car going 55 mph for 3600 s, the work is approximately 3 10^8 J. That's quite a bit of energy!
Hope that helps.
 
mathman said:
If there is no drag or friction, once your car is going 55 mph it will need no energy to keep going at that speed.

I agree. lex_ee, your result will be overly-simplistic. You can find dynamometer data online for most cars. The data will give you rpms (or mph) and power in a more realistic setting--if you are given rpms, you will need appropriate car specs and data to convert to mph:
http://www.type2.com/library/misc/calcspd.htm

The power can then be converted into the quantity that you desire.
 
lex_ee said:
I'd like to calculate the energy required to move a 1000lb vehicle at 55mph for 1hr. I'm looking for a simple calculation, nothing with drag, friction or acceleration is required

I expect this to be pretty simple, 1/2*m*v^2, to solve for the Kinetic Energy of the vehicle. However, how does 'time' come into play, to determine the energy needed over time?

Thanks

By Newton's first law once the car is moving at 55mph you will not need to add any more energy as you will not be accelerating it any more.

K=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}

\Delta{K} = \frac{1}{2}m(\Delta{v})^{2} as \frac{dm}{dt} is constant

\approx\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1000}{2.2})(55*1.6)^{2}

\approx\1.76 * 10^{6} J
 
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