Proof - the derivative of a scalar multiple

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the derivative of a scalar multiple of a function, specifically examining the steps involved in manipulating limits and the algebraic treatment of the scalar factor.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the legality of dividing out the scalar multiple in the limit expression without affecting the behavior of the limit as h approaches zero. There is confusion regarding the implications of this manipulation on the overall limit and whether it introduces errors in the algebra.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the steps in the proof, with some participants expressing skepticism about the algebraic manipulation involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the formal definition of limits, though no consensus has been reached on the specific concerns raised.

Contextual Notes

Some participants question the treatment of the scalar multiple in the limit and its effect on the outcome, indicating a need for clearer understanding of limit properties in calculus.

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Homework Statement



I am confused how the scalar multiple is divided out of the proof of this rule without taking an h with it in the denominator, which would get very tiny meaning the entire thing would go to infinity or negative infinity or zero, you can't tell.

Start with: f(x) = k g(x) End: f'(x) = k g'(x)



Homework Equations



This is the proof I was given:

f'(x) = lim(h->0) [k g(x+h) - k g(x)] / h

f'(x) = lim(h->0) [k {g(x+h) - g(x)}] /h

Next step I do not agree with: (Never mind -this is legal, right?)
f'(x) = lim(h->0) k [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = k lim(h->0) [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = k g'(x)

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I think would happen at the step I disagree with:

f'(x) = lim(h->0) k/h * [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = lim(h->0) k/h * lim(h->0) [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = ? * g'(x)
 
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(k/h)*(g(x+h)-g(x))/h=(k*g(x+h)-k*g(x))/h^2. That's not equal to (k*g(x+h)-k*g(x))/h. Why would you do that?
 
Check out the presentation of the formal definition of "limit" (the "delta-epsilon" formality):
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/53403.html"

That doesn't answer your question, I know. But it's an unusually interesting discussion of what is really meant by "limit".

jf
 
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hayesk85 said:

Homework Statement



I am confused how the scalar multiple is divided out of the proof of this rule without taking an h with it in the denominator, which would get very tiny meaning the entire thing would go to infinity or negative infinity or zero, you can't tell.

Start with: f(x) = k g(x) End: f'(x) = k g'(x)



Homework Equations



This is the proof I was given:

f'(x) = lim(h->0) [k g(x+h) - k g(x)] / h

f'(x) = lim(h->0) [k {g(x+h) - g(x)}] /h

Next step I do not agree with: (Never mind -this is legal, right?)
f'(x) = lim(h->0) k [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = k lim(h->0) [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]

f'(x) = k g'(x)

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I think would happen at the step I disagree with:

f'(x) = lim(h->0) k/h * [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]
That's just bad algebra. You now have two "h" s in the denominators.

f'(x) = lim(h->0) k/h * lim(h->0) [{g(x+h) - g(x)}/h]f'(x) = ? * g'(x)
 

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