Can a Wind Turbine Improve Gas Mileage in Electric Cars?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the feasibility of using a wind turbine integrated into an electric car to improve gas mileage, particularly focusing on the potential for energy recovery during coasting or braking. Participants examine various configurations and the implications of energy conversion in this context.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a system where a turbine is aerodynamically integrated into the car, only creating drag when the car is coasting or braking, suggesting it could convert potential energy into electricity.
  • Another participant argues that the only potential for net energy gain would occur if the turbine operates while parked or when slowing the car, but questions the effectiveness compared to regenerative braking.
  • A different viewpoint states that using a wind turbine while coasting would reduce kinetic energy, necessitating more energy to regain speed, thus questioning the overall benefit.
  • One participant reiterates that while some energy could be recovered during braking or coasting, regenerative braking would be more efficient than the proposed turbine system.
  • Another participant mentions the potential high energy cost of constructing such a system and suggests that existing hybrid systems already utilize generators for energy recovery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the practicality and efficiency of using a wind turbine in this context. There is no consensus on whether the proposed system would effectively improve gas mileage, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the energy costs of construction, the efficiency of regenerative braking compared to the proposed turbine, and the need for additional components like electric motors and batteries in hybrid systems.

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I know this question was already asked but I wanted to tackle it from a different angle.


I saw allot of posts on how it would take too much gas to create the energy from the turbine but for the example let's say the car is electric.


Now say we have a system where the turbine is in a tube aerodynamically built into the car, and this tube is opened and closed by pulleys or some such simple system connected to the gas pedals. Oh and the tube closes when the gas pedal is being pushed upon


Okay with all of that we have a turbine that only inflicts drag upon the car when the gas is not in use aka when your coasting down hill or braking.


Could you use this system to increase "gas" mileage? For example converting the Potential energy of gravity into electricity?


Sorry if its a stupid question but i started reading about wind turbines two days ago and this is one of a few ideas that popped into my head, and they haunt me until I get them out.
 
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The only way I can see you getting a net gain in energy is from either of the following:
1) the wind turbine runs when the car is sitting parked somewhere.
2) the wind turbine has its cover opened to oncoming wind when you want to slow the car down. This will lessen the torque that the brakes need to provide, and save a bit of wear on the tyres, but regen brakes would probably do a more effective job.
 
In short, it still won't work.

When you're coasting, your car is "charged up" with kinetic energy, and running a wind turbine will take from that kinetic energy, slowing the car down. You would have to burn more gas to get up to speed again.

For regenerative braking, a turbine large enough to take a significant amount of energy from the car in a reasonable amount of time would be prohibitively large. You're better off using an electric motor as a generator.
 
lumberer said:
Okay with all of that we have a turbine that only inflicts drag upon the car when the gas is not in use aka when your coasting down hill or braking.

Could you use this system to increase "gas" mileage? For example converting the Potential energy of gravity into electricity?
To reiterate, yes, you could, but it would only be useful when the car is braking or coasting in anticipation of the need to slow down. But in that case, regenerative braking would be more efficient.
 
Yeah you *could* get some energy out that way, but it would probably take more energy to construct this system in the first place. Not to mention the cost.

As was mentioned, a better way would be for example to use a generator. But even then you would need electric motors to be able to make use of this energy. Plus batteries to store it. A hybrid already has all these, and coincidentally they also have generators that regain energy from the wheels.
 

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