Group velocity for a discrete superposition of waves

In summary, group velocity is dw/dk for any shape of envelope and for any number of waves in a superposition.
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For a superposition of two since waves of equal amplitude in a dispersive media, we find that the group velocity is given exactly by

[tex]v_g = \frac{\omega_2-\omega_1}{k_2-k_1}[/tex]

and approximately by [itex]d\omega / dk|_{k=k_0}[/itex].

How do we show that this approximation holds for any type of waves (not just sine), and for a superposition of any number of them?


Here's the development that allowed me to conclude to the statement above. You may not read this.

In the 2 sine wave superposition problem (beats), we have two progressive waves of equal amplitude, [itex]y_1(x,t) = Asin(k_1x - \omega_1t)[/itex] and [itex]y_2(x,t) = Asin(k_2x - \omega_2t)[/itex] and their superposition is

[tex]y(x,t)=2Acos\left(\frac{k_2-k_1}{2}x-\frac{\omega_2-\omega_1}{2}t\right) sin\left(\frac{k_2+k_1}{2}x-\frac{\omega_2+\omega_1}{2}t\right)[/tex]

The speed [itex]v_g[/itex] of the modulation envelope is found by setting [itex]x=x(t)=v_g t[/itex] in [itex]cos(\frac{k_2-k_1}{2}x-\frac{\omega_2-\omega_1}{2}t)[/itex] and arguing that since x(t) moves at the same speed as the cos wave, the phase is constant. I.e.,

[tex]\frac{k_2-k_1}{2}v_g t -\frac{\omega_2-\omega_1}{2}t = \mbox{cst}[/tex]

and taking the derivative wrt t gives

[tex]v_g = \frac{\omega_2-\omega_1}{k_2-k_1}[/tex]

This gives [itex]v_g[/itex] exactly. Here, the distribution of amplitude wrt k is discrete rather than continuous as in the case of the wave packet, but extending the definition of [itex]k_0[/itex] to the discrete case we have,

[tex]k_0 = \frac{|k_2+k_1|}{2}[/tex]

So evidently, as [itex]k_1[/itex] approaches [itex]k_2[/itex], by definition of derivative, [itex]v_g[/itex] approaches [itex]d\omega / dk|_{k=k_0}[/itex], but the equality [itex]v_g = d\omega / dk|_{k=k_0}[/itex] is not exact! For nonlinear dispersion relations, this is only an approximation.
 
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First and foremost, group velocity is dw/dk by definition.

There is confusion here as to why two discrete frequencies, when analysed, do not give the correct group velocity. The reason why, is because it is not intended to. Group velocity is a term we apply to continuous spectra in recognition of the fact that no light source has a single frequency, but is comprised of a frequency bandwidth. Thus in the case where k1 approaches k2 (i.e. where the separate frequencies merge into a continuous spectra), the solution is equal to dw/dk by definition of a derivative. Now that the expression for the group velocity is a derivative, it applies to any continuous spectrum.

For nonlinear dispersion relations, the definition of group velocity is retained, however a distortion parameter is introduced to provide the required corrections.

Claude.
 
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I am attaching the simplest derivation I know of.
As you can see, the validity of dw/dk as a velocity of the envelope depends on how good an approximation it is to truncate the Taylor expansion.
The next term in the expansion leads to a spread of the wave packet.
If higher terms are needed, distortion of the packet is rapid.
 

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"But what if the waves were not sine-like? And what if the envelope was not Gaussian? Isn't there a totally general way to approach the notion of group velocity? Or do we have to treat case by case?
Does v_g = dw/dk hold for more than 2 superposed sin waves? Does it hold for non-sinusoidal sine waves? If so, how can this be shown?"

The Gaussian envelope was just one simple example. The derivation for v_g is the same (totally general way) for any shape of envelope. The expansion in sine waves (really exponential waves) is also completely general. The simple case of two sine waves in elementary books is a special case where the Fourier integral becomes a Fourier sum. You should study Fourier sums and integrals in a book like Boas, Butkov, or Arfken.
 
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Thx for the recomendations.
 

Related to Group velocity for a discrete superposition of waves

What is group velocity?

Group velocity is the speed at which a group of waves or particles appears to move. It is the speed of the overall shape or envelope of a wave group, rather than the speed of individual waves within the group.

How is group velocity different from phase velocity?

Phase velocity is the speed at which the individual waves within a group are moving, while group velocity is the speed at which the overall shape of the wave group is moving. This means that the group velocity can be slower or faster than the phase velocity, depending on the specific characteristics of the wave group.

What is a discrete superposition of waves?

A discrete superposition of waves is a combination of multiple individual waves that have specific frequencies, amplitudes, and phases. When these waves interact with each other, they can create a new wave pattern that is the sum of the individual waves.

How is group velocity calculated for a discrete superposition of waves?

The group velocity for a discrete superposition of waves can be calculated by taking the derivative of the phase of the wave group with respect to the wave number. This means that the group velocity depends on the frequencies and wavelengths of the individual waves within the group.

What are some real-world applications of group velocity for a discrete superposition of waves?

Group velocity for a discrete superposition of waves is an important concept in various fields such as optics, acoustics, and quantum mechanics. It is used to understand and manipulate wave phenomena, such as dispersion and interference, in these fields. It also has practical applications in designing technologies such as signal processing and communication systems.

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