Noether Definition and 66 Threads
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The Biggest Misconception in Physics
This video explains in a nice and understandable manner how symmetries and conservation laws are connected and how they affect GR- fresh_42
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- Conservation laws Einstein field equations Noether Symmerty
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I Noether's Theorem for Translation in Field Theory
I am trying to follow the following post. [Mentors' note: The "following post" is from https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/12559/what-conservation-law-corresponds-to-lorentz-boosts] I dont understand how they have got the expression for the current for translations from the general...- binbagsss
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- Noether Theorem Translation
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B Questions about Noether's theorem -- Conservation of Energy and Mass
Very basic question ... Heard someone say that Noether's theorem talks about, among other things, invariance (under transformation). Further, possibilities were discussed: 1. Invariance in time 2. Invariance in space 3. Conservation of energy (kinetic?) 4. Conservation of mass I forgot...- Agent Smith
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- Invariance Noether Theorem
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I Noether currents for a complex scalar field and a Fermion field
For a complex scalar field, the lagrangian density and the associated conserved current are given by: $$ \mathcal{L} = \partial^\mu \psi^\dagger \partial_\mu \psi -m^2 \psi^\dagger \psi $$ $$J^{\mu} = i \left[ (\partial^\mu \psi^\dagger ) \psi - (\partial^\mu \psi ) \psi^\dagger \right] $$...- Sandglass
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- Complex Currents Fermion Field Noether Scalar Scalar field
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Noether theorem and angular momenta
(OBS: Don't take the index positions too literal...) Generally it is easy to deal with these type of exercises for discrete system. But since we need to evaluate it for continuous, i am a little confused on how to do it. Goldstein/Nivaldo gives these formulas: I am trying to understand how...- LCSphysicist
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- Angular Noether Theorem
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A Noether and the derivative of the Action
I know that the Action has units Energy·time or Momentum·position. A second fact is that the derivative of the action with respect to time is Energy and similar with momentum-position, consistent with a units ie. dimensions check.Is it a coincidence that both are Noether conserved quantities...- nemuritai
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- Derivative Lagrangian Noether Noether's theorem Qed Qft
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Noether Current: Understanding 2.10 & 2.11
I just don't understand what happened after (2.11). That' is, the second term is zero, so we have $$\alpha \Delta L = \alpha \partial_{\mu} ( \frac{\partial L}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi)} \Delta \phi )$$ So, second (2.10), isn't ##\Delta L = \alpha \partial_{\mu} J^{\mu}(x)##? So shouldn't...- LCSphysicist
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- Current Noether
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A How Do You Apply Noether Normalization to a Polynomial Ring Ideal?
Suppose ##I \subseteq k[X_{1}, X_{2}, X_{3}, X_{4}]## be the ideal generated by the maximal minors of the ##2 \times 3## matrix $$\begin{pmatrix} X_1 & X_2 & X_3\\ X_2 & X_3 & X_4 \end{pmatrix}.$$ I have to find a Noether normalization ##k[Y_1, Y_2, Y_3, Y_4] \subseteq k[X_1, X_2, X_3, X_4]##...- gurilupi
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- Noether Normalization
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A How Does Noether's Theorem Extend Beyond Conservation in Hamiltonian Systems?
In Hamiltonian statement the Noether theorem is read as follows. Consider a system with the Hamiltonian function $$H=H(z),\quad z=(p,x),\quad p=(p_1,\ldots,p_m),\quad x=(x^1,\ldots,x^m)$$ and the phase space ##M,\quad z\in M.## Assume that this system has a one parametric group of symmetry...- wrobel
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- Noether Theorem
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How to Determine the Noether Current for a Given Symmetry and Lagrangian?
This is my first time dealing with scaling symmetry, so I'm sorry if the following is fundamental wrong. My approach was the same as if I was trying to show the same for translation or Lorentz symmetry. We have $$\delta\phi(x)= \phi'(x')-\phi(x)=...- Markus Kahn
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- Current Noether Noether's theorem Quantum field theory Symmetry
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Noether's theorem with non-finite transformations
Hi! I am given the lagrangian: ## L = \dot q_1 \dot q_2 - \omega q_1 q_2 ## (Which corresponds to a 2D harmonic oscillator) And I am given two transformations and I am asked to say if there is a constant of motion associated to each transformation and to find it (if that's the case). I am...- peguerosdc
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- Lagrangian Noether Noether's theorem Theorem Transformations
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I Noether's theorem for discrete symmetry
I am wondering if it existes some discret version of the Noether symmetry for potential with discrete symmetry (like $C_n$ ). The purpose is to describe the possible evolution of the phase space over the time without having to solve equations numerically (since even if the potential may have...- Dalor
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- Discrete Noether Noether's theorem Symmerty Symmetry Theorem
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A Derivation of the Noether current - Lorentz Transformation
We make an infinitesimal Lorentz transformation of the Lagrangian and require it to be invariant. We then arrive at the following expression. $$\epsilon^{\mu\nu}j_{\mu\nu} = P_{\mu}\epsilon^{\mu\nu}X_{\nu}$$ which can be written as $$\epsilon^{\mu\nu}j_{\mu\nu} =...- Higgsono
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- Current Derivation Lorentz Lorentz transformation Noether Noether's theorem Transformation
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A Energy conservation on Cosmological scales
I'm curious to know whether anyone with good maths has anything to say about Dr Philip Gibbs' covariant formula for conserved currents of energy, momentum and angular- momentum derived from a general form of Noether’s theorem? I'm not a pro mathematician, but it looks relatively robust to me...- Almighty BOB
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- Conservation Cosmological Energy Energy conservation Noether
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QFT, Noether and Invariance, Complex fields, Equal mass
Homework Statement Question attached: Hi I am pretty stuck on part d. I've broken the fields into real and imaginary parts as asked to and tried to compare where they previously canceled to the situation now- see below. However I can't really see this giving me a hint of any sort unless...- binbagsss
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- Complex Fields Invariance Mass Noether Qft
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A Time independence of a Noether charge in QFT?
In classical field theories, I believe I understood how to derive a Noether charge that corresponds to a symmetry of action. And there is no problem in understanding its time independence. But in quantum field theory, it looks like the two different approaches, 1) Canonical quantization...- JunhoPhysics
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- Charge Independence Noether Noether's theorem Qft Time Ward identity
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I Understanding Noether Theorem & Transformations
I've been looking at the original work of Noether and I'm confused about this point. The transformation of fields and coordinates are supossed to form a group, then how the inverse of $$B^{\mu}=B^{\mu}(A^{\mu},\partial A^{\mu}/\partial x^{\nu},x^{\mu},\epsilon) $$...- facenian
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- Noether Theorem
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I Lorentz transformation and its Noether current
Hi. I'd like to ask about the calculation of Noether current. On page16 of David Tong's lecture note(http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/qft.html), there is a topic about Noether current and Lorentz transformation. I want to derive ##\delta \mathcal{L}##, but during my calculation, I...- Ken Gallock
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- Current Lorentz Lorentz transformation Noether Noether's theorem Qft Scalar field Transformation
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I A question about Noether theorem
How can I derive that the work of a force perpendicular to velocity is always zero from the theorem of Noether? I have heard that there is a relation between these two but in Google I found nothing. Thank you very much- larsa
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- Classical mechanics Noether Theorem
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I Does Noether theorem explain the constant speed of light?
I learned in Analytical Mechanics: "Emmy Noether's theorem shows that every conserved quantity is due to a symmetry". The examples I learned where conservation of energy as symmetry in time and conservation of momentum as symmetries in space. Now I wonder, do universal constants are also due to...- Frigorifico
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- Constant Constant speed Explain Light Noether Noether's theorem Speed Speed of light Theorem
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I Noether theorems, the Lagrangian and energy
I have read in different places that an up to date definition of energy refers to the Lagrangian and Noether. But isn't the Lagrangian too limited because it refers to an ideal situation involving translational KE and to PE only? I would have thought that a good definition of energy would be...- Dadface
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- Energy Lagrangian Noether
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Conservation of Noether charge for complex scalar field
Homework Statement Prove that the Noether charge ##Q=\frac{i}{2}\int\ d^{3}x\ (\phi^{*}\pi^{*}-\phi\pi)## for a complex scalar field (governed by the Klein-Gordon action) is a constant in time. Homework Equations ##\pi=\dot{\phi}^{*}## The Attempt at a Solution...- spaghetti3451
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- Charge Complex Conservation Field Noether Scalar Scalar field
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Conserved Noether charges for Lorentz symmetry of the action
Homework Statement Consider the infinitesimal form of the Lorentz tranformation: ##x^{\mu} \rightarrow x^{\mu}+{\omega^{\mu}}_{\nu}x^{\nu}##. Show that a scalar field transforms as ##\phi(x) \rightarrow \phi'(x) = \phi(x)-{\omega^{\mu}}_{\nu}x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\phi(x)## and hence show that...- spaghetti3451
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- Charges Lorentz Noether Symmetry
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Conserved Noether current under SO(3) symmetry of some Lagrangian
Homework Statement Verify that the Lagrangian density ##\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}\partial_{\mu}\phi_{a}\partial^{\mu}\phi_{a}-\frac{1}{2}m^{2}\phi_{a}\phi_{a}## for a triplet of real fields ##\phi_{a} (a=1,2,3)## is invariant under the infinitesimal ##SO(3)## rotation by ##\theta##, i.e...- spaghetti3451
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- Current Lagrangian Noether So(3) Symmetry
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Conserved Noether current under U(1) symmetry of some Lagrangian
Homework Statement The motion of a complex field ##\psi(x)## is governed by the Lagrangian ##\mathcal{L} = \partial_{\mu}\psi^{*}\partial^{\mu}\psi-m^{2}\psi^{*}\psi-\frac{\lambda}{2}(\psi^{*}\psi)^{2}##. Write down the Euler-Lagrange field equations for this system. Verify that the...- spaghetti3451
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- Current Lagrangian Noether Symmetry
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Newtonian formulation/proof of Noether's theorem
Hi. I've only ever seen Noether's theorem formulated ond proven in the framework of Lagrangian mechanics. Is it possible to do the same in Newtonian mechanics, essentially only using F=dp/dt ? The "symmetries" in the usual formulation of the theorem are symmetries of the action with respect to...- greypilgrim
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- Lagrangian Mechanics Newtonian Noether Noether's theorem Theorem
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Law of the lever: Conservation of energy or angular momentum
Hi, Some "derivations" of the law of the lever argue with conservation of energy: If one arm of the lever of length ##r_1## is pulled by a distance ##s_1## with force ##F_1##, the other arm moves by a distance ##s_2=s_1 \frac{r_2}{r_1}##. From conservation of energy ##E=F_1 s_1=F_2 s_2## it...- greypilgrim
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- Angular Angular momentum Conservation Conservation of energy Energy Law Lever Momentum Noether Torque
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Emmy Noether and Changing the Course of Physics
Great article on Emmy Noether's life and revolutionary theorem: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/05/the-female-mathematician-who-changed-the-course-of-physics-but-couldnt-get-a-job/- jedishrfu
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- Course Noether Physics
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Derivative of a Noether current from Dirac Equation
Homework Statement Hey guys, Consider the U(1) transformations \psi'=e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}}\psi and \bar{\psi}'=\bar{\psi}e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}} of the Lagrangian \mathcal{L}=\bar{\psi}(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}-m)\psi. I am meant to find the expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}. Homework...- Dixanadu
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- Current Derivative Dirac Dirac equation Noether
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Is the Noether Current \(M^{\mu;\nu\rho}\) Conserved in Klein-Gordon Theory?
Homework Statement Hey guys. So I gota prove that the currents given by M^{\mu;\nu\rho}=x^{\nu}T^{\mu\rho}-x^{\rho}T^{\mu\nu} is conserved. That is: \partial_{\mu}M^{\mu;\nu\rho}=0. Homework Equations Not given in the question but I'm pretty sure that T^{\mu\nu}=\frac{\partial...- Dixanadu
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- Conservation Current Noether
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Proving that a Noether charge is constant
Homework Statement Hey guys, so I gota prove that the charge Q=\int d^{3}xJ^{0}(\vec{x},t) is constant in time, that \dot{Q}=0 Homework Equations J^{\mu}=i[\phi^{\dagger}(\partial^{\mu}\phi)-(\partial^{\mu}\phi^{\dagger})\phi] The Attempt at a Solution So first what I did was find...- Dixanadu
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- Charge Constant Noether
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Angular Momentum Conservation (Lorentz transf. + Noether Th.)
Homework Statement Prove $$ j^{\mu} = j_ {EXTERIOR}^{\mu} + j_ {INTERIOR}^{\mu}$$. Writing $$j_ {EXTERIOR}^{\mu}$$ in terms of the energy-momentum tensor. Prove $$j_ {EXTERIOR}^{\mu}$$ is related to the Orbital Momentum and $$j_ {INTERIOR}^{\mu}$$ to the spin.Sorry, for the lane shifts...- Breo
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- Angular Angular momentum Conservation Momentum Momentum conservation Noether
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Is perturbation theory necessary for constructing quantum field theories?
This is what wikipedia says. Nevertheless, I don't think that it is true. I mean, the conservation of electric charge can follow from noether theorem field generalization applied to Electrodynamic Lagrangian, am I right? Is it wikipedia wrong by saying that conservation of electric charge can...- the_pulp
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- Noether
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Calculating Noether Currents in Peskin & Schroeder QFT
Hello folks, I do not know the calculus behind used to obtain both currents in this page from Peskin and Schroeder QFT book. $$j^\mu = \partial^\mu \phi $$ and the 2.16 eq. http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-280914-033510.php How do you calculate them?- Breo
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- Currents Noether
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Noether Current Derivation Issue: Why Don't the Last Two Terms Vanish?
(The problem I have is really at the end, however, I have provided my whole argument in detail for clarity and completeness at the cost of perhaps making the thread very unappealing to read) Homework Statement (c.f Di Francesco's book, P.41) We are given that the transformed action under an...- CAF123
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- Current Derivation Noether
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Derivation of Noether currents under Lorentz Transformation
Is there anywhere I can see the explicit derivation for a massless real scalar and for the EM field? thank you.- bagherihan
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- Currents Derivation Lorentz Lorentz transformation Noether Transformation
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GR Noether Current: Confirm Pseudo Tensor?
Dear, If i start from the Einstein Hilbert ACtion and apply the usual Noether rules (as we use them on flat spacetime ie treating the metric tensor g_munu as any other tensor assuming the existence of another hidden tensor eta_munu describing a flat spacetime non dynamical background, though...- fhenryco
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- Current Gr Noether
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The interpretation of noether currents in scalar QED
In scalar QED, there are two noether currents ##J_{global}## and ##J_{local}##corresponding to the global and local gauge transformations respectively. In QED, the two currents are exactly the same. But in scalar QED, they are totally different. $$J_{global}^\mu=i e (\phi^\dagger...- karlzr
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- Currents Interpretation Noether Qed Scalar
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Is Noether's theorem applicable to both cases?
Hi, I read about Noether's theorem, which states that if, under a continuous transformation, the Lagrangian is changed by a total derivative \delta \cal L = \partial_\mu F^\mu then there is a conserved current j^\mu = \frac{\partial \cal L}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\delta \phi - F^\mu...- spookyfish
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- Current Noether
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Noether current for exchange symmetry
In Quantum Mechanics, when we exchange identical particles the physics doesn't change. I wonder what stuff is conserved when this symmetry is demanded. I asked my professor but he didnt/couldnt answer. Google is no help either.- Ravi Mohan
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- Current Exchange Noether Symmetry
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Magnetic monopoles and Noether theorem
Is there a Lagrangian from which the modified Maxwell equations including a magnetic charge density (magnetic monopoles) can be derived? Can one introduce a matter part (like in the Dirac Lagrangian) which reproduces the magnetic charge density? Does this Lagrangian have a symmetry which...- tom.stoer
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- Magnetic Magnetic monopoles Noether Theorem
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Lagrangians and Noether Theorem
Homework Statement Let be the lagrangian given by L(x,y,\dot{x},\dot{y})=\frac{m}{2}(\dot{x^2} +\dot{y^2})-V(x^{2}+y^{2}) and L(x,y,\dot{x},\dot{y})=\frac{m}{2}(\dot{x^2} + \dot{y^2})-V(x^{2}+y^{2}) - \frac{k}{2}x^{2} and the transformation x'=\cos\alpha x - \sin\alpha y y'=\sin\alpha x +...- atomqwerty
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- Lagrangians Noether Theorem
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Electromagnetic spin from Noether theorem and spin photon
hi, I try to use the Noether theorem to determinate the angular momentum of the electromagnetic field described by the Lagrangian density L=-FαβFαβ/4 After some calculation I find a charge Jαβ that is the angular momentum tensor. So the generator of rotations are (J^{23},J^{31},J^{12}) =...- paolorossi
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- Electromagnetic Noether Photon Spin Theorem
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Deriving charge for Noether current in free complex scalar field QFT
Homework Statement Hi I a attempting to derive the expression for the conserved Noether charge for a free complex scalar field. The question I have to complete is: " show, by using the mode expansions for the free complex scalar field, that the conserved Noether charge (corresponding to complex...- Azelketh
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- Charge Complex Current deriving Field Noether Qft Scalar Scalar field
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Noether currents for local gauge symmetry
hi everyone, I have been trying to understand gauge theory. I am familiar with the Noether's theorem applied in the context of simpler textbook cases like poincare invariant Lagrangians. This is my question: Are there Noether currents corresponding to the local gauge symmetries too and would...- szg138
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- Currents Gauge Gauge symmetry Local Noether Symmetry
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From noether theorem to Laplace-runge-lenz vector
it is said that each conserved quantity is related to some symmetry of the system so, what is the symmetry underlying the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector?- wdlang
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- Noether Theorem Vector
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Noether current for SO(N) invariant scalar field theory
Homework Statement I understand the premise of Noether's theorem, and I've read over it in as many online lectures as I can find as well as in An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory; Peskin, Schroeder but I can't seem to figure out how to actually calculate it. I feel like I'm missing a...- EoinBrennan
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- Current Field Field theory Invariant Noether Scalar Scalar field Theory
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How do you correctly pronounce these German words?
Hello, I would really appreciate any help in pronouncing the following words: Noether Erlangen Gottingen I am giving a presentation on Emmy Noether, and I don't want to mispronounce these words. I asked a friend who took German..and he had no idea XD. Any help would be great! Thx.- snowfox2004
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Is the Emmy Noether Theorem Misunderstood in Space Translation Dynamics?
If we watch some translation in space. L(q_i+\delta q_i,\dot{q}_i,t)=L(q_i,\dot{q}_i,t)+\frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i}\delta q_i+... and we say then \frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i}=0 But we know that lagrangians L and L'=L+\frac{df}{dt} are equivalent. How we know that \frac{\partial...- matematikuvol
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- Noether Theorem
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Noether Current Derivation for SO(3) Rotation?
This is a problem from my theoretical physics course. We were given a solution sheet, but it doesn't go into a lot of detail, so I was hoping for some clarification on how some of the answers are derived. Homework Statement For the Lagrangian L=1/2(∂μ∅T∂μ∅-m2∅T∅) derive the Noether...- ClaraOxford
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- Current Noether Rotation So(3)
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help