Solving 2D Motion Revision Homework on Pitching Speed

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The discussion revolves around calculating a baseball player's pitching speed when throwing a ball horizontally from a height of 3.00 m, landing 30.0 m away. The initial calculations for the pitching speed were completed successfully, but complications arose when considering the variation in throwing angles from 5° below to 5° above horizontal. The participant attempted to isolate time and relate horizontal and vertical motion equations but found the algebra complex and cumbersome. They suggested that substituting time from the horizontal equation into the vertical equation might simplify the process, though they struggled with the resulting expressions. The conversation highlights the challenge of incorporating angle variations into motion equations for accurate speed determination.
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Homework Statement


A baseball player friend of yours wants to determine his pitching speed. You have him stand on a ledge and throw the ball horizontally from an elevation 3.00 m above the ground. The ball lands 30.0 m away.

A) What is his pitching speed?

B) As you think about it, you’re not sure he threw the ball exactly horizontally. As you watch him throw, the pitches seem to vary from 5° below horizontal to 5 degrees above horizontal. What is the range of speeds with which the ball might have left his hand?

Homework Equations



d = vi*t + (1/2)a*t2
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The Attempt at a Solution



Problem A was completed without issue. But I'm having trouble working the possible angles into the answer.

I know that vx = vcos(5) and vy = +/- vsin(5)

I tried to isolate time, given that the horizontal distance was traveled in the same time it took the ball to hit the ground (obviously...).

vx = vcos(5) = .99v
vy = -vsin(5) = .08v

dx = vcos(5)t
30 = vcos(5)t
t = 30/(vcos(5))


3 = -vsin(5) - (1/2)(9.8)(t^2)
t = sqrt((-vsin(5) - 3)/4.9)

Now I would usually set the equations equal to each other at this point, but the result system seems too messy to be done by hand, so I feel like I'm missing a much easier solution.

Is my only option to try to find the intercept for the equations? And if the ball was thrown upwards, my equations would be the same except for the negative in from of the sin portion, correct?
 
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The traditional procedure for dealing with this sort of thing is to solve the x-equation for t and replace t in the y-equation. The algebra is much more tractable.
 
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That doesn't exactly make the math any easier.

3 = -vsin(5) - (1/2)(9.8)(302/v2cos2(5))

That doesn't exactly make the isolation of v any easier...
 
The equation that you have for v doesn't look right. The y equations should be

0 = 3 + v*t*sin5o-0.5*9.8*t2

0 = 3 - v*t*sin5o-0.5*9.8*t2

Either of these equations says that at t=0 the ball is at y=3 m.
 
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