3D Statics Equilibrium - Dot Everything with Vector P?

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The discussion focuses on determining the force P required for equilibrium of bead B on a rigid bar AC, considering the effects of an elastic cord BD. The user outlines their approach, which includes calculating position and unit vectors, as well as force vectors, but struggles with the application of vector dot products to eliminate certain terms. There is confusion regarding the notation of P, used both as a vector and its magnitude, leading to complications in the equations. The user seeks clarification on whether to dot the equilibrium equation with a specific vector to simplify their calculations. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of consistent notation and the correct application of vector mathematics in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



Bead B has negligible weight and slides without friction on rigid fixed bar AC. An elastic cord BD has spring constant k = 3 N∕mm and 20 mm unstretched length, and bead B has a force of magnitude P in direction BC. If bead B is positioned halfway between points A and C, determine the value of P needed for equilibrium, and the reaction between bead B and rod AC.
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The Attempt at a Solution



I'll summarize all the steps I've taken.

1) I found position vectors BC and BD.

2) Found unit vectors BC and BD.

3) Calculated vector P = P(uBC).

4) Calculated FBD using F=kδ.

5) Found force vector FBD using vector FBD = FBD(uBD).

Now from here is where I believe I'm having trouble. The sum of all the forces is equal to 0, and my FBD includes vector P, vector FBD pointing towards D, and vector R, which is perpendicular to vector P at point B. I know:

P + FBD + R = 0 [these are all vectors]

My strategy was to dot each of those terms with vector P, yielding:

(P⋅P) + (FBD⋅P) + (R⋅P) = 0

Giving:

(P⋅P) + (FBD⋅P) = 0, since the third term above is 0 (because they are at right angles).

Is this sound mathematics after my step 5, or should I approach this another way? I even tried dotting each vector with its appropriate unit vector (P with uAB, FBD with uBC, and R with uBC), but neither approach is getting me correct answers.

I'm actually closer with my initial approaching (dotting everything with P) - I think.

Ideas?
 
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Dotting with P has the benefit of eliminating R, but at the cost of introducing P.FBD. Can you think of a vector to take the dot product with that gets rid of R without introducing that complication?
 
The only way I can think of to eliminate R by dotting the entire equation with a vector is something that is perpendicular to it.

In that case, would vector uBC work?

My confusion then is with vector P. We've already defined vector P as vector P = P(uBC). Would the equation then become:

(P⋅uBC⋅uBC)+(FBD⋅uBC) = 0, where P and FBD are forces?

Another source of confusion - the second term above is still a vector. How do we reconcile that?
 
absolutezer0es said:
The only way I can think of to eliminate R by dotting the entire equation with a vector is something that is perpendicular to it.

In that case, would vector uBC work?

My confusion then is with vector P. We've already defined vector P as vector P = P(uBC). Would the equation then become:

(P⋅uBC⋅uBC)+(FBD⋅uBC) = 0, where P and FBD are forces?

Another source of confusion - the second term above is still a vector. How do we reconcile that?
There seems to be some notation confusion with P. You are using it both as a vector and as the magnitude of that vector. In your last equation above, it is the magnitude, no? The equation sums two terms, each being a dot product and hence a scalar.
 
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