3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k

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The discussion revolves around finding the expression for 3α^2 - 2β in terms of the constant k, given the roots α and β of the quadratic equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0. Participants note the relationships αβ = -k/3 and α + β = -2/3 but struggle to derive the required expression. One participant arrives at a solution of 4/3 + k, while another method yields an additional term involving the square root. Ultimately, one contributor successfully identifies an overlooked identity that simplifies the problem. The key takeaway is that the solution can be expressed as 4/3 + k.
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Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.
 
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tony24810 said:

Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.
Considering k to be a constant, solve the second equation below for α or β, then substitute into the first equation.
αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3
 
Mark44 said:
Considering k to be a constant, solve the second equation below for α or β, then substitute into the first equation.
αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

It has a β^2 term leftover.
 
tony24810 said:

Homework Statement



Let k be a constant. If α and β are the roots of the equation 3x^2 + 2x - k = 0, find the value of 3α^2 - 2β in terms of k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously, the usual

αβ = -k/3
α + β = -2/3

has been written but I couldn't put them into the equation required despite a full hour's effort.

Also, tried writing (-b+-sqrt(b^2-4ac))/2a, and put respective roots into the equation, it yields something similar to the provided solution, but has an extra root term.

The solution is 4/3 + k.

The latter method gets 4/3 + k + sqrt(4+12k)/6.

Show your work in detail.

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haha omg i got it
 
got it

i tried again this time giving each equation their names, suddenly spot the identity that i didn't see before. hahahaha
 

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