A cuboid on an inclined plane - based on an Olympiad problem

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a cuboid on an inclined plane, specifically how to derive the accelerations of its center of mass as it rotates without sliding. Participants analyze the equations for the accelerations parallel and perpendicular to the incline, initially suggesting a method using angular acceleration and the properties of rotation. A participant points out a potential sign error in the calculations and suggests using vector analysis to derive the correct expressions. Ultimately, the correct formula for the perpendicular acceleration is confirmed, highlighting the importance of careful consideration of signs in physics problems. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of rotational dynamics in inclined planes.
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Homework Statement


Let's suppose we have a [cuboid](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuboid) of dimensions ##a \times b \times c##. We put it on an inclined plane of an angle ##\alpha## so that only one edge of length ##c ## touches the plane. In time ##t = 0 ## the cuboid doesn't rotate. Let the line containing the edge be ##k ##. Let the edges of length ##a ## be vertical and the ones of length b - vertical.
A link to the picture is in post #1. (for the time being awaiting for mod approval)

Let the cuboid rotate around the line ##k ## with angular acceleration ##\varepsilon ## without sliding.

(Corrected the latex stuff)
(Based on a problem from the 58th Polish Olympiad in Physics.)

Homework Equations


Now it is suggested that if ##a_x ## is the acceleration of the mass center parallel to the inclined plane and ##a_y ## perpendicular to the plane, then
$$a_x = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \sin \alpha+ \frac a2 \cos \alpha \right)$$
$$a_y = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \cos \alpha+ \frac a2 \sin \alpha \right)$$

How can we derive it?

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried it a long time ago, using the property ##a = \varepsilon r ##
$$a_x = a \cos\alpha = \varepsilon r \cos\alpha $$
but from here not much success.
 
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To all: 58th Olympiad was in the 2008, so this discussion is OK.
 
You seem to have a sign error somewhere. If you calculate ##a_x^2+a_y^2## from your expressions, the result depends on ##\alpha##, but the magnitude of the acceleration should only depend on the shape of the block.

Try using ##\vec{a} = \vec{\varepsilon} \times \vec{r}## to calculate the acceleration of the center of mass. I wouldn't use the rotated axes to do this calculation. Then to get the component parallel and perpendicular to the incline, calculate the dot product of ##\vec{a}## with the appropriate unit vectors.
 
Of course, I made a sign mistake,

it should be
$$
a_y = \varepsilon\left(\frac b2 \cos \alpha- \frac a2 \sin \alpha \right)
$$
 
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Well, I've finally got it. It's so easy that I don't know how I could've missed it :P
It's correct, isn't it?
 

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