A Question Related to Electrostatic Energy and Capacitors

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrostatic energy required to bring a third charge Qy into a system with two existing charges, Q and Qx. It is established that bringing in Qy requires twice the work compared to bringing in Qx, leading to the equation relating their energies. The user attempts to derive Qy in terms of Q but encounters issues when constants cancel out, making it difficult to express the final answer as desired. Clarifications are sought regarding the initial conditions of the charges and the correctness of the mathematical approach. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationships between the charges and their respective positions in the electric field.
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Homework Statement



A charge Q is at the origin. A second charge, Qx = 2Q, is brought to the point x = a and y = 0. A third charge Qy is brought to the point x = 0, y = a. If it takes twice as much work to bring in Qy as it did Qx, what is Qy in terms of Q?

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My main problem in this (Besides an incompetent professor :wink:) is connecting the relationships of Qy, Qx, and Q, specifically Qy and Q. Also, I believe my formula for work to bring in a charge

(W = (k * Qx * Qy)/ R)

Might be wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution



W = work to bring in charge.

Wy = 2*Wx

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 3Q)/a

Wy = (k * Q * Qy)/a

(k * Q * Qy)/a = 2 * (k * 3Q)/a => (k * Q * Qy)/a = (k * 6Q)/a


And here's where I start to have problems; constant 'k' and 'a' get canceled out, fine and dandy. However, the 'Q' also gets canceled out, which is bad as that's what I want my final answer in terms of.

Also, am I over thinking this, or do the vectors of Qy and Qx not allow me to make this connection?

Thanks to anyone can help, and I hope to have a pleasant stay here at Physics Help :smile:
 
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Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 3Q)/a
Check the math.
Also, from the question it is not clear whether Q2 was brought with both Q and Q1 in place or Q alone.
 
Thank you!

The problem didn't specify, but from the wording I would imagine that Qy was brought in by Q alone.

Is the math correct now?

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 2Q^2)/a
 
Air_Gear said:
Is the math correct now?

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 2Q^2)/a

Looks good to me!

The problem didn't specify, but from the wording I would imagine that Qy was brought in by Q alone.
Funny, I would have thought the other, from the wording of the question. Doesn't matter, as long as you know how to solve for both ;)
 
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