A ring with charge Q and radius 'r'

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The discussion focuses on determining the maximum electric field, ##\vec{E}_x##, along the axis of a charged ring with charge Q and radius r. The electric field expression derived is ##\vec{E}=\frac{KQx}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}##. To find the maximum value, the first derivative with respect to x should be set to zero, followed by testing the second derivative to confirm whether it indicates a maximum or minimum. There is some concern about the correctness of the electric field formula, but it is affirmed that the approach to finding extrema is appropriate. The conversation emphasizes the application of calculus techniques to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement



Show that ##\vec{E}_x## on the axis of a ring charge [I'm assuming they meant "of charge Q"] of radius "r" has its maximum value at ##x=\pm \frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}##

Homework Equations



Linear charge density ##\lambda=\frac{Q}{2\pi R}##
##dQ=\lambda ds = \frac{Qd\theta}{2\pi}##
##\vec{E}=\frac{KQ}{R^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Let the distance between an infinitesimal sector of the ring with charge ##dQ## and a point ##P## be ##a##. Then ##a=\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## where r is the radius of the ring. Note that to save some typing, I will use ##a## and ##\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## interchangeably.

Let ##\theta## be the angle formed by a and the x axis, then:
##cos\theta=\frac{x}{a}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}## and ##sin\theta=\frac{r}{a}=\frac{r}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}##

Now, ##d\vec{E}_y=0##, because all forces in the y-component cancel, leaving ##d\vec{E}_{total}=d\vec{E}_x=d\vec{E}cos\theta##

##\therefore d\vec{E}=\frac{KdQ}{a^2} cos\theta##

Because ##dQ= \frac{Qd\theta}{2\pi}## and ##cos\theta=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}##
##d\vec{E}=\frac{KQx}{2\pi a^3}d\theta##

Now, integrating from 0→2∏ to find ##\vec{E}##
$$\vec{E}=\frac{KQx}{2\pi a^3} \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\theta = \frac{KQx}{a^3} = \frac{KQx}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}$$

From here, I'm not sure how to use this to "prove" that ##\vec{E}_x## has a maximum value at ##x=\pm \frac{r}{\sqrt{2}}##
 
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How do you go about finding the maximum or minimum of a function of x?
 
First derivative test?
 
squelch said:
First derivative test?

You've sort of got the right idea. Set the first derivative w.r.t. x to zero and solve for x. Then test the second derivative at x to see if you've found a maximum or a minimum. It's a Calculus 1 topic.
 
gneill said:
You've sort of got the right idea. Set the first derivative w.r.t. x to zero and solve for x. Then test the second derivative at x to see if you've found a maximum or a minimum. It's a Calculus 1 topic.

Right, but I don't feel like I have my ##\vec{E}## right. I keep seeing that ##\sqrt{x^2+r^2}## and thinking that I missed that I was supposed to do trig substitution somewhere along the way.
 
You formula for E is correct. You need to find x where the function ##\frac{x}{(x^2+r^2)^{3/2}}## has its extrema.

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