Abelian Group Order: Find Largest Possible # of Subgroups

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the largest possible number of subgroups of order 3 in an abelian group of order 540. Participants explore the implications of the fundamental theorem of group theory and the classification of abelian groups, particularly focusing on groups of order 27 and their relation to the problem.

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  • One participant notes that to find the number of subgroups of order 3, it is necessary to classify all groups of order 27, as elements of order 3 can only exist in that subgroup.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of possible group structures for G, suggesting that G can be isomorphic to several forms, each yielding a different number of 3-subgroups, with a maximum of seven subgroups identified in certain cases.
  • There is a mention that Z27 has only one 3-subgroup, which raises questions about the implications for the overall classification.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correctness of the previous claims but also points out a potential equivalence between two group structures that may affect the count of subgroups.

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Participants generally agree on the need to classify groups of order 27 to address the problem, but there are differing interpretations regarding the implications of specific group structures and the maximum number of subgroups of order 3 that can exist.

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Some assumptions about the classification of abelian groups and the properties of their subgroups remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the exact relationship between the identified group structures and the number of subgroups.

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This isn't homework, it was proposed by a professor of mine and I'm dying here because the hint makes no sense to me

Let G be an abelian group of order 540, what is the largest possible number of subgroups of order 3 such a group G can have?
He said to classify abelian groups of order 27, but I'm not sure how that's related. Anyone know how to solve this?
 
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The fundamental theorem of group theory says that any group G of order 540 can be expressed as

[tex]G=G_1\times G_2[/tex]

where G1 is a group of order 27 and G2 is a group of order 20.

If your searching for every group of order 3, then you'll actually be search for every element of order 3. (number of subgroups of order 3= number of elements of order 3 divides by 2). Since an element of order 3 can only be in G1, you'll be searching for elements of order 3 in a group of order 27. This will require classifying all groups of order 27...
 
micromass said:
The fundamental theorem of group theory says that any group G of order 540 can be expressed as

[tex]G=G_1\times G_2[/tex]

where G1 is a group of order 27 and G2 is a group of order 20.

If your searching for every group of order 3, then you'll actually be search for every element of order 3. (number of subgroups of order 3= number of elements of order 3 divides by 2). Since an element of order 3 can only be in G1, you'll be searching for elements of order 3 in a group of order 27. This will require classifying all groups of order 27...

Is this an alright proof?

First note that Z(n) has exactly one d-subgroup, where d is any divisor of n.
Using the fundamental theorem of finite abelian groups, G can be isomorphic to either:
Z540, which has only one 3-subgroup,
Z3 x Z180, which has three 3-subgroups (namely, the subgroups generated by (1,0), (0, 60), and (1, 60))
Z3 x Z3 x Z60, which has seven (generated by (1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,60), (1,1,0), (1,0,60), (0,1,60), and (1,1,60)), or
Z3 x Z3 x Z3 x Z20, which also has seven.

Note that there other possibilities to which G may be isomorphic, but you can check and see that none of them will yield more than seven 3-subgroups.

So the answer is seven.

And doesn't Z27 only have one 3-subgroup?
 
Yes, this seems to be correct.

Please note tho, that

Z3 x Z3 x Z60 = Z3 x Z3 x Z3 x Z20
 
Lol, whoops.
 

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