Abstract Algebra Proof question

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The discussion revolves around proving a property related to the greatest common divisor (gcd) of two integers expressed in terms of their prime factorization. The integers are represented as products of distinct primes raised to non-negative integer powers, and the task is to show how the gcd can be expressed using the minimum of the powers from each integer's prime factorization.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gcd and the prime factorization of integers, questioning the notation and the implications of infinite primes. Some participants attempt to clarify the process of showing that the candidate for the gcd divides both integers and discuss how to demonstrate that it is the largest divisor.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing examples to illustrate their points. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the proof, while others are seeking clarification on specific statements and concepts related to the gcd and prime factorization.

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Participants mention the challenge of adapting to rigorous proof techniques in their early weeks of a first course in abstract algebra, indicating a learning curve in understanding the material.

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Homework Statement



Let a=p_{1}^{r_{1}}p_{2}^{r_{2}}...p_{k}^{r_{k}}, b=p_{1}^{s_{1}}p_{2}^{s_{2}}...p_{k}^{s_{k}} where p_{1},p_{2},...,p_{k} are distinct positive primes and each r_{i},s_{i} ≥ 0 Prove that (a,b)=p_{1}^{n_{1}}p_{2}^{n_{2}}...p_{k}^{n_{k}} \mbox{ where for each } i \mbox{, } n_{i}=\mbox{minimum of } r_{i},s_{i}.

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This is a question from a homework assignment from a first course in abstract algebra. The class has only been going for a few weeks. We've covered the long division algorithm for integers, the fundamental theorem of algebra, Euclid's algorithm and a few other menial theorems.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried letting c=p_{1}^{h_{1}}p_{2}^{h_{2}}...p_{k}^{h_{k}}, h_{i}≥<br /> 0 be a divisor of a and b and then I just get lost. I'm not used to rigorous proof at all and this course has been a struggle for me while I get acquainted with the many styles of proof. Any sort of help or even guidance in the right direction would be much appreciated.
 
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I take it (a,b) = gcd(a,b)? I'm not sure if it is just a difference in notation or not, but I think your prime factor representations should be infinite, without a index k where it stops. It's a product of all primes to different powers greater than or equal to 0, and there are an infinite amount of them (many of them will have a power of 0). For a proof like this, you have two things to show: the first is that your candidate for the gcd(a,b) divides both a and b. Here our candidate is the right side of the (a,b)= (p_1)^{n_1}(p_2)^{n_2}... equation. Each n_i is min{r_i,s_i}, so we can divide both a and b with our candidate, since for each prime p_i, the corresponding prime in a and b will either be canceled out or have a power of max{r_i,s_i}-min{r_i,s_i}. With this in mind you can formally show that your candidate divides both a and b. After this, you need to show that it is in fact the largest number that divides both a and b. A good start is to assume there is a larger one and show it is impossible.
 
aeroplane said:
Each n_i is min{r_i,s_i}, so we can divide both a and b with our candidate, since for each prime p_i, the corresponding prime in a and b will either be canceled out or have a power of max{r_i,s_i}-min{r_i,s_i}.

I'm having trouble understanding this statement. Can someone provide an example?
 
Rker said:
I'm having trouble understanding this statement. Can someone provide an example?

The gcd of (a,b) = p_1^{\min\{r_1,s_1\}}\cdots p_n^{\min\{r_n,s_n\}}

You take the minimum of the powers from a and b.

Suppose a = 2^2\times 3 and b = 2\times 3^4

(a,b) = 2\times 3

a has a 2 with power 2 and b with power 1. I took the min. I do this for all primes.
 
Sure: we can write 108 as 108=(2^2)(3^3)(5^0)(7^0)... and 405 as 405=(2^0)(3^4)(5^1)(7^0)(11^0)... . Using our formula for (108,405)=(2^min{2,0})(3^min{3,4})(5^min{0,1})(7^min{0,0})(11^min{0,0})... we see that
(108,405)=(2^0)(3^3)(5^0)(7^0)(11^0)... = 9. This divides both:
108/9 = (2^2)(3^(3-2))(5^0)(7^0)...=(2^(max{2,0}-min{2,0}))(3^(max{3,4}-min{3,4}))(5^(max{0,0}-min{0,0}))...
 
aeroplane said:
Sure: we can write 108 as 108=(2^2)(3^3)(5^0)(7^0)... and 405 as 405=(2^0)(3^4)(5^1)(7^0)(11^0)... . Using our formula for (108,405)=(2^min{2,0})(3^min{3,4})(5^min{0,1})(7^min{0,0})(11^min{0,0})... we see that
(108,405)=(2^0)(3^3)(5^0)(7^0)(11^0)... = 9. This divides both:
108/9 = (2^2)(3^(3-2))(5^0)(7^0)...=(2^(max{2,0}-min{2,0}))(3^(max{3,4}-min{3,4}))(5^(max{0,0}-min{0,0}))...

if a prime does not occur in the prime factorization of an integer, it can be safely ommitted (the only 0 powers we need are the primes that occur in the factorization of one of a or b, but not both). no one I've ever come across factors 7 as:

20305071110130...
 
Definitely Deveno, but it's good to understand that it is an infinite product, otherwise you lose the uniqueness of each factorization.
 

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