Algebraic Number Theory Question

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The discussion revolves around proving that the expression (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square if and only if each of (1+xy), (1+yz), and (1+zx) are perfect squares. Initial attempts involved substituting new variables for the terms, leading to complications in the equation. Participants suggested examining the structure of the expression and refactoring it to find a clearer proof. The conversation highlights the challenge of demonstrating the reverse implication, where the product being a perfect square necessitates each individual term also being a perfect square. The need for a systematic approach to tackle the proof is emphasized throughout the discussion.
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This is actually a Number Theory question, but requires expertise that doesn't go beyond simple algebra.

Homework Statement


Show that (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square iff (1 + xy), (1+yz) , and (1+zx) are perfect squares.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I initially tried to solve it like this

let 1 + xy = s2 , 1 + yz = t2, 1 + zx = u2. I substituted the new variables and got (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 - s2t2+t4-t2+s2

I tried to get the RHS of the equation to be in some square form, but couldn't. I thought that introducing new variables to the problem would add to the complexity of the problem, but I thought that adding new variables would give me a new way to solve the problem also.

So .. any thoughts?

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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What are x,y,z,s,t,u? Are you working on the 'if' part or the 'only if' part? (or have you not gotten that far yet?) Where did that equation come from?
 
forgot to mention x,y,z are positive integers,

I just defined s,t,u as the number whose square is xy + 1, yz +1, zx + 1 respectively
 
putongren said:
This is actually a Number Theory question, but requires expertise that doesn't go beyond simple algebra.




Homework Statement


Show that (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) is a perfect square iff (1 + xy), (1+yz) , and (1+zx) are perfect squares.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I initially tried to solve it like this

let 1 + xy = s2 , 1 + yz = t2, 1 + zx = u2. I substituted the new variables and got


(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 - s2t2+t4-t2+s2
That last equation is obviously wrong.

(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 , which is a perfect square.

That's the easier half of the proof.

Now show that if (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = w2, then each of (1+xy), (1+zy), and (1+zx) are perfect squares.
 
SammyS said:
That last equation is obviously wrong.

(1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = s2t2u2 , which is a perfect square.

That's the easier half of the proof.

Now show that if (1+xy)(1+zy)(1+zx) = w2, then each of (1+xy), (1+zy), and (1+zx) are perfect squares.


Yeah, I suspect it was wrong, but I still have no idea how to show that (1 + xy)(1 + zy)(1 +wz) = w2.
 
putongren said:
Yeah, I suspect it was wrong, but I still have no idea how to show that (1 + xy)(1 + zy)(1 +xz) = w2.
Did you try multiplying the left side out? -- Then try refactoring it.
 
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