Allowable load in short compression member

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the allowable load in short compression members made from steel pipes under specific loading conditions. It includes theoretical considerations regarding stress and load distribution, as well as practical application in structural engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving two steel pipes with given dimensions and allowable compressive stress, seeking help with calculations for allowable loads under specific conditions.
  • Another participant suggests drawing a free body diagram (FBD) to visualize the problem and mentions that buckling instability can be ignored due to the short length of the pipes.
  • A participant confirms their calculation for part b) of the problem, arriving at 68.5 kips, which aligns with the initial claim.
  • In contrast, the same participant expresses confusion regarding their calculation for part a), obtaining a different result of 119.4 kips, which they indicate is incorrect.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of the FBD, noting that the positions of the unknown loads differ between parts a) and b), which may affect the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations for part a), as there is a discrepancy in the results. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct approach to determining the allowable loads based on the provided information.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps necessary to arrive at the correct allowable loads, and there are dependencies on the assumptions made regarding the load distribution and the structural behavior of the pipes.

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My apologies, I don't own a scanner or else I would show the 200 variations of formulas I've played around (my work) with all day to get these answers.

Question is this;
A short compression member is fabricated from 2 steel pipes. the pipe on the top has a cross sectional area of 3.17 in sq and is 4" long. The pipe on the bottom has a cross sectional area of 5.53 in sq and is 6" long.
Each pipe has a downward force at the centre-top of each pipe.
The allowable compressive stress in the steel is 21.6 ksi.
a) What is the allowable load in the bottom pipe if the load in the top pipe is 22 kips?
b) What is the allowable load in the top pipe if the load in the bottom pipe is 40 kips?

the answer for a) is 97.4 kips and b) is 68.5 kips.

I've tried most stress formulas but there must be something I am missing. If you're able to show guidance, I'd appreciate the help. Thanx
-M
 
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Draw a free body diagram of your problem and add the given forces. (Hint: with such short pieces of pipe, buckling instability can be ignored.) Use the allowable stress to determine the unknown load.
 
for b, I get 21600 x 317 = 68.5 which is good

for a, I get 21600 x 5.53 = 119.4 which is no good
 
Did you draw the FBD? Notice, the pipes with the unknown loads are in different locations for a) and b).
 

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