An Inductive Charging Wheel for Free-Wheeling Strollers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of designing a stroller that utilizes free-moving wheels to generate electricity through inductive charging. Participants explore various approaches and technologies related to energy generation in this context, including the potential use of generators and magnets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design for a stroller that charges devices using inductive charging from free-moving wheels.
  • Some participants express skepticism, suggesting that the concept may resemble a perpetual motion machine.
  • Another participant suggests that using small generators powered by wheel rotation might be a more viable approach than inductive charging.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of energy extraction on the "free wheeling" nature of the wheels, with some suggesting that minimal power drain might not create significant drag.
  • A participant mentions the idea of using a super magnet and a pickup system to manage voltage fluctuations as the wheel turns.
  • References are made to bicycle dynamos as a similar technology, highlighting the trade-offs between efficiency and ease of use.
  • Another participant discusses the potential for generating pulsed AC using permanent magnets and stationary coils, noting that conditioning may be necessary depending on the application.
  • Concerns are raised about the environmental sealing of inductive generators to prevent contamination from debris.
  • It is noted that the slow rotation speed of stroller wheels may necessitate larger generators if integrated directly into the wheel.
  • One participant argues that the rotational speed of stroller wheels could be sufficient for a dynohub system, although maintenance issues related to debris accumulation are acknowledged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and design of the proposed system, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some participants support the idea of using generators, while others question the practicality of inductive charging in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various assumptions about the efficiency of different energy generation methods and the practical challenges of integrating such systems into stroller designs. The impact of wheel rotation speed and environmental factors on generator performance are also noted as significant considerations.

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Hello all,

I am trying to come up with a design to have a free moving wheel create electricity using inductive charging... I am doing this project for one of the courses i am taking. I am little stumped on how i would go about designing this to create the maximum power. Do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks
 
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I'm not clear on what you are trying to do but from your title it sounds like you are trying to build a Perpetual Motion Machine. Are you?
 
phinds said:
I'm not clear on what you are trying to do but from your title it sounds like you are trying to build a Perpetual Motion Machine. Are you?
No, not really. I am looking to try to build a stroller that has the ability to charge you device. I want to wheels to generate the power using inductive charging. Would this be possible?
 
akefa said:
No, not really. I am looking to try to build a stroller that has the ability to charge you device. I want to wheels to generate the power using inductive charging. Would this be possible?
I don't really know but it does not sound like the right approach at all. You should be looking at generators (little bitty ones) that are powered by the wheel turning.
 
phinds said:
I don't really know but it does not sound like the right approach at all. You should be looking at generators (little bitty ones) that are powered by the wheel turning.
Yeah. I can do that with a DC motor. I can only do that with a wheel on an axle. I cannot do that with a free moving wheel on like a stroller
 
akefa said:
Yeah. I can do that with a DC motor. I can only do that with a wheel on an axle. I cannot do that with a free moving wheel on like a stroller
Oh, now I see what you're getting at. Well if you are taking energy away to power something, no matter how you do it, the wheel won't be exactly "free wheeling" any more but if the power drain is not much, you won't likely feel much drag. I don't know how you would manage to do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were doable. You'd probably need to attach a super magnet to the wheel and have some sort of pickup on the undercarriage and then you'd need circuitry to handle the fact that the voltage will be quiescent most of the time and then peaking as the magnet goes past the pickup.
 
phinds said:
Oh, now I see what you're getting at. Well if you are taking energy away to power something, no matter how you do it, the wheel won't be exactly "free wheeling" any more but if the power drain is not much, you won't likely feel much drag. I don't know how you would manage to do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were doable. You'd probably need to attach a super magnet to the wheel and have some sort of pickup on the undercarriage and then you'd need circuitry to handle the fact that the voltage will be quiescent most of the time and then peaking as the magnet goes past the pickup.
makes sense. Thanks.
 
Have you seen the old bicycle headlight dynamos that had a small wheel that was held up against the bicycle tire to generate the electricity for the headlight? It made pedalling the bike harder, but you did not need to recharge your light every night. I'll post a pic if I can find one...

I'll also edit your thread title to be more accurate for the question you are asking. You set off the Free Energy / Over Unity / Perpetual Motion Machine detectors with your current title... :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Have you seen the old bicycle headlight dynamos that had a small wheel that was held up against the bicycle tire to generate the electricity for the headlight?

Like this one:
http://image.dhgate.com/albu_254428029_00/1.0x0.jpg
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The kind of dynamo that gets its power by friction against the tyre is convenient to mount on any bike (which is an advantage) but a far more efficient arrangement is the 'Dynohub' style of alternator that uses a static coil and strong permanent magnets mounted inside a cylindrical. This link is from a real enthusiast!
 
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You can generate pulsed AC using perm. magnets embedded in the wheel with a stationary coil mounted to the frame.

The output would mos probably need conditioning depending on application This would be good for a light, efficient, low power output. It is used in applications such as chain saws. Some early motor cycles used magnetos for ignition and lights. The early model T Fords used a magneto system.
 
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If the “inductive generator” has permanent magnets, then it must be sealed against the environment or it will collect magnetic material from the ground or soil.

The weight of a generator can be reduced proportionally by increasing the RPM. A stroller wheel rotates so slowly that it will require a big generator if it is integrated, (with direct drive), into the wheel.
 
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Baluncore said:
A stroller wheel rotates so slowly that it will require a big generator
If a dynohub works when walking along with a bicycle then, with the diameter wheels that a stroller has, there will be more than enough rotational speed.
Keeping it clean could be a problem and it would need a 'blade' of some kind, to wipe away the accumulated nails and iron filings.
 

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