Angular velocity of circular orbit, small oscillations

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular velocity \(\omega\) of a particle in a circular orbit and the angular frequency \(\omega'\) of small radial oscillations in a potential defined as \(V(r) = k/r + c/3r^3\). The participants analyze the equations of motion, noting a sign error in the acceleration term that affects their results. They conclude that the effective potential should account for angular momentum conservation, leading to a correction in their calculations. Ultimately, they derive that the difference between \(\omega\) and \(\omega'\) relates to the precession frequency, approximating it as \(\Omega \approx (c/|k|a^2)\omega^2\). The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the effective potential in orbital dynamics.
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Homework Statement


The potential energy of a particle of mass m is V(r) = k/r + c/3r^3 where k<0 and c is a small constant. Find the angular velocity \omega in a circular orbit of radius a and the angular frequency \omega' of small radial oscillations about this circular orbit. Hence show that a nearly circular orbit is approximately an ellipse whose axes precess at an angular frequency \Omega \approx (c/|k|a^2)\omega^2

Homework Equations


m\ddot{r} -mr\dot{\theta}^2 = -\frac{dV}{dr}

The Attempt at a Solution


So the first part is just setting \ddot{r} to zero so that
-\omega^2 = \left. -\frac{1}{ma}\frac{dV}{dr} \right|_a = \frac{k}{ma^3} + \frac{c}{ma^5}
which is the answer given. For the second part I Taylor expanded <br /> \omega^2r -\frac{dV}{dr}
about a took the second term to be minus the angular frequency squared. Thus I get
\omega&#039;^2 = -\omega^2 + \left. \frac{d^2V}{d^2r}\right|_a

however with this I get a result different from the answer. I'm not sure where the mistake lies.
 
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The acceleration is minus omega prime squared, not omega prime squared. Is that your problem? Note that if V is 1/r, omega prime must = omega, that's a true ellipse.
 
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Sorry I think I wasn't clear. I know the acceleration is -\omega&#039;^2 so in the answer for \omega&#039;^2 I swapped the sign. Is this what you mean?
 
If the sign error is not the mistake, then everything else looks right. Note that the answer given is the difference between omega and omega prime, as that will be the precession frequency.
 
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Ok. The answer given in the book is
<br /> \omega&#039;^2 = -\frac{k}{ma^3} +\frac{c}{ma^5}<br />
 
Ok, then what you should get is that the difference between omega and omega prime is the second derivative of V at r=a divided by 2*omega, and I presume that comes out what is given in the question.
 
Well I'm not sure how they get \omega&#039;. Do you have any ideas?
 
Your analysis should be correct, are you taking your answer to lowest order in c?
 
Well I'm expanding in terms of r so that it's always first order in c.
 
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I get <br /> \omega&#039;^2 = \frac{3k}{ma^3} + \frac{5c}{ma^5}
 
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Perhaps the problem is in the effective potential you are using. You are effectively in a rotating reference frame with a centrifugal potential that is proportional to r. But that means when you perturb r, the particle is given extra angular momentum so it continues to corotate with the rotating frame. What should actually happen is the particle should maintain its angular momentum. So the effective potential actually looks like L2/r, not proportional to r like a centrifugal potential. Look up the equation for r motion that conserves L, and use that as the effective potential instead, maybe there's a lowest order correction induced in effect by the L-conserving coriolis force.
 
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Yes thank you that did the trick. I will attempt the final part now.
 
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I figured I may as well post what I did:
\omega&#039;^2 - \omega^2 = (\omega&#039;-\omega)(\omega+\omega&#039;) \approx (\omega&#039;-\omega)(2\omega)
so that
<br /> \omega&#039;-\omega \approx \frac{\omega&#039;^2 - \omega^2}{2\omega} \approx \frac{c\omega^2}{|k|a^2\omega}<br /> = \frac{c}{|k|a^2}\omega
as terms with c^2 are negligible.
 
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