Another double integral problem

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral with the expression \(\int^{8}_{0}\int^{2}_{x^{1/3}}\frac{dydx}{y^{4}+1}\). Participants are tasked with sketching the region of integration and determining the best order of integration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss changing the limits of integration and the resulting expression \(\int^{2}_{0}\int^{y^3}_{0}\frac{dydx}{y^{4}+1}\). There is an exploration of integration by parts, with some participants expressing confusion about the process leading to an infinite loop. Others suggest substitution methods and question the derivative of logarithmic functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in their attempts, with one noting they arrived at the correct answer. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the integral \(\int\frac{1}{{y^4}+1}\) and its evaluation, with references to complex expressions provided by others. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integration techniques and the challenges of specific integrals, with some expressing concern about the difficulty of certain calculations in the context of exam preparation.

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Homework Statement


sketch the region of integration, and evaluate the integral by choosing the best order of integration
[tex]\int^{8}_{0}\int^{2}_{x^{1/3}}\frac{dydx}{y^{4}+1}[/tex]


Homework Equations


integration by parts


The Attempt at a Solution


after sketching the graph and changing the limits I've got to:
[tex]\int^{2}_{0}\int^{y^3}_{0}\frac{dydx}{y^{4}+1}[/tex]

integrating:

[tex]\int^{2}_{0}\left[\frac{x}{y^{4}+1}\right]^{y^3}_{0}dy=\int^{2}_{0}\frac{y^3}{{y^4}+1}dy[/tex]

[tex]u = {y^3}[/tex]

[tex]u' = 3{y^2}[/tex]

[tex]v = ln({y^4}+1)[/tex]

[tex]v' = \frac{1}{{y^4}+1}[/tex]

[tex]\left[{y^3}ln({y^4}+1)-\int3{y^2}ln({y^4}+1)\right][/tex]

[tex]u = ln({y^4}+1)[/tex]

[tex]u' = \frac{1}{{y^4}+1}[/tex]

[tex]v = {y^3}[/tex]

[tex]v' = 3{y^2}[/tex]

[tex]= {y^3}ln({y^4}+1)-\int{y^3}\frac{1}{{y^4}+1}[/tex]

And this is where i get stuck as its just an infinite loop of integration by parts, any ideas?
 
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From here

[tex]\int^{2}_{0}\frac{y^3}{{y^4}+1}dy[/tex]

Just sub u=y4+1EDIT:

Also

[tex]\frac{d}{dy}[ln(y^4+1)] \neq \frac{1}{y^4 +1}[/tex]
 
rock.freak667 said:
From here

[tex]\int^{2}_{0}\frac{y^3}{{y^4}+1}dy[/tex]

Just sub u=y4+1


EDIT:

Also

[tex]\frac{d}{dy}[ln(y^4+1)] \neq \frac{1}{y^4 +1}[/tex]

Ok I've done that and i got the right answer :) but what is [tex]\int\frac{1}{{y^4}+1}[/tex] if its not [tex]ln({y^4}+1)[/tex] ?

I remember how to integrate ln functions it using the joke:
Q: what's the integral of 1 over cabin?
A: log cabin
 
8614smith said:
Ok I've done that and i got the right answer :) but what is [tex]\int\frac{1}{{y^4}+1}[/tex] if its not [tex]ln({y^4}+1)[/tex] ?

That integral is too hard to be calculated by hand. But I've prepared it for you to not make mistakes like that: [tex]1/8\,\sqrt {2}\ln \left( {\frac {{x}^{2}+x\sqrt {2}+1}{{x}^{2}-x \sqrt {2}+1}} \right) +1/4\,\sqrt {2}\arctan \left( x\sqrt {2}+1\right) +1/4\,\sqrt {2}\arctan \left( x\sqrt {2}-1 \right)[/tex].

AB
 
Altabeh said:
That integral is too hard to be calculated by hand. But I've prepared it for you to not make mistakes like that: [tex]1/8\,\sqrt {2}\ln \left( {\frac {{x}^{2}+x\sqrt {2}+1}{{x}^{2}-x \sqrt {2}+1}} \right) +1/4\,\sqrt {2}\arctan \left( x\sqrt {2}+1\right) +1/4\,\sqrt {2}\arctan \left( x\sqrt {2}-1 \right)[/tex].

AB

I'll have to take your word on that one, let's just hope it doesn't come up in my exam!
 

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